Laminar Flow
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I very much doubt that the "winning side"actually won in this particular instance.
90 in 180 limit from 1st January.
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nortada
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Thanks but there's lots I don't know and get confused by conflicting information so, try to contact authorities for answer. Typical case is some information in the January 2019 document you quote above -
In light of Brexit, the British Ambassador to Portugal has been attending a series of 'surgeries' around the country talking to British overseas residents about the possible outcomes of the UK leaving the EU. She stressed that all British citizens should make sure that their authorizations for residency, passports and other documentation is up to date and in order. Residents will retain their current EU rights in their host country, but under the latest 'Withdrawal Agreement', they will lose the right of free movement, including travel within the Schengen area for longer than 90 days in every 180.
This is the opposite of what Europe Direct were told by Directorate-General for Justice and Consumers (DG JUST) in March 2020 - Residence permit holders are not limited to the maximum period of stay of 90/180 days within the Schengen area .
Your guess is good as mine as to who is correct.
A classic example of the confusion that exists. When confronted with different response from 2 authorities sources. Because things are continually changing, I tend to go with the latest dated official comments. ? Opinions are just that. ??
In the example above, the ambassador was responding to all Brits in Portugal. The majority of which are either permanent residents or ‘commute’ between Portugal and the UK. Whereas DG JUST was responding to travel within the Schengen Zone. A slightly different take on this issue, which supports the observation, the question you ask could colour the answer you get.
It must also be remembered that the way you approach officialdom and local interpretations will largely govern the result you get (particularly significant in Iberia and I suspect across the Med.
As Graham says, until after the Transition Period (TP) it is all a best guess. Best advice is, be as prepared as you can be by taking every precaution, before the end of the TP.
No real surprise but there is much more from the folk in Liveaboard Link, whose every day lives could be bound up with the 90/180 day Schengen issue.
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Refueler
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People : one aspect that affects the decision on the ground and at the time of meeting Immigration....
The Official in front of you will react based on a) the information HE believes to be correct, this may be old and he hasn't had the latest, b) often does not like being 'educated' by those he's in front of, c) may in some cases just take the way out of saying NO !
I have to stay reasonably informed with local 'Robarzarde' (Border Guards) here in Latvia - the Deputy Commander in my region is personal friend. I can say quite honestly - that they are confused near as much as we are with present rules because so much is affected by CV19.
When I asked for something I could report back to CA with - they backed off .... and he told me that in reality they were unsure of some aspects and only way is to refer to the latest online info from Lat Gov. Of course that's out of date as well because its hard to keep up with daily changes.
I do have sympathy for those that cruise EU waters over extended periods - but in reality - the 90 day rule is no different to a large part of the world - in fact better than many where 14 ... 30 days may be case.
The killer of course is not so much the 90 - but the 180 part. In cases such as Singapore as example .. you get your 30 days and then have to depart. All you need do is cross the causeway to Malaysia and then return getting another 30 day entry. There is no days within set period.
The Official in front of you will react based on a) the information HE believes to be correct, this may be old and he hasn't had the latest, b) often does not like being 'educated' by those he's in front of, c) may in some cases just take the way out of saying NO !
I have to stay reasonably informed with local 'Robarzarde' (Border Guards) here in Latvia - the Deputy Commander in my region is personal friend. I can say quite honestly - that they are confused near as much as we are with present rules because so much is affected by CV19.
When I asked for something I could report back to CA with - they backed off .... and he told me that in reality they were unsure of some aspects and only way is to refer to the latest online info from Lat Gov. Of course that's out of date as well because its hard to keep up with daily changes.
I do have sympathy for those that cruise EU waters over extended periods - but in reality - the 90 day rule is no different to a large part of the world - in fact better than many where 14 ... 30 days may be case.
The killer of course is not so much the 90 - but the 180 part. In cases such as Singapore as example .. you get your 30 days and then have to depart. All you need do is cross the causeway to Malaysia and then return getting another 30 day entry. There is no days within set period.
Refueler
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Maybe I'm way behind the times ........... but how many actually broadcast AIS ? I would think the situation is still majority only Rx on a yacht ? I accept that more people are installing Tx Rx sets ... but ??
Seven Spades
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I am sure broadcasting AIS will become required at t some point. it already is in some parts of the world.
Ohlin Karcher
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Yes and they can pry my radio silence out of my cold, dead fingers.
Screw informing the world's Stasi and gutter press of my position and 'status'.
AIS will never be transmitted from Marihøna, John Atkin would be spinning in his grave!
Every herring must hang by his own tail.
Refueler
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Please - I'm very interested to know which parts of the world require a private yacht to broadcast AIS.
As to being required in future ? I very much doubt it as even today NOWHERE in the world are you required to have a VHF radio on a private yacht !! Nowhere that I have ever heard of anyway.
Ohlin Karcher
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Required for who, and enforced how exactly?
Ohlin Karcher
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Spot on.
Refueler
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I would actually install a Tx / Rx AIS station but as I do not cruise as much as some ... and I have limited power on board ... I shall resist the urge to splurge till someone forces me to install.
I do have passive Rx AIS ... and that is enough for me TBH ...
Ohlin Karcher
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'They' can't force you..our species has been seafaring for some 60,000 years!
25931
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Come to Portugal portaria nº 1464/2002 - pleasure craft required to have VHF
Refueler
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Come to Portugal portaria nº 1464/2002 - pleasure craft required to have VHF
OK ... that's first example I have heard of. Things change and we need to keep informed, so this is one of those snippets that adds to the pot.
Edit : I've tried to go tyhrough your reference but cannot find the part that says VHF must be installed ... Other sites also I cannot find any stating VHF must be installed ... but all say VHf Licence must be valid for an installation / operator.
Just to help me and maybe others who consider venturing to Portuguese waters etc. : Can you pinpoint the section specific to VHF installation for Portugal - I assume its if you want to register a yacht in Portugal ?
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25931
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But not in motorized plastic baths
Graham376
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Actually, my question to EU was exactly about commuting. I asked what the position would be if I drove to Portugal (residence) and then appeared to have overstayed my welcome when arriving back in France on way home.
Graham376
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List here but add life jackets available in tenders for everyone on board, €250 per person fine if not there but never heard of anyone being nailed, we were just warned. Safety Standards - Lagos Navigators
The equipment rules also apply to foreign flagged vessels there >6 months.
Refueler
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Investment Guide - Ship Registration
Interestingly the Guide to registration of Private Yachts as linked here says :
"If the pleasure craft is equipped with radio communications devices ....."
Nowhere can I find you MUST have ...
Refueler
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I'll take a reservation on that link as it says requirements as per RORC ... still not satating Law / Regulations.
I agree it 'implies' that ...... I'll take it as advised based on the link I put where it says If Fitted - the actual Portuguese MAR guide I used.
25931
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Refueler
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Did you forget to type something ??
If I am wrong - I would be happy to be corrected but please - not by a Club advisory or similar....
Anyway - who gives a ****** .... it has naff all to do with 90/180 .............