pmagowan
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This must be a special boat.
90/180 day shuffle
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Bouba
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Bouba
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I think people ask the same question over and over because they want a definitive answer.....and a loophole. Unfortunately definitive answers from the EU don’t always exist.....and loopholes may not help when face to face with an official
TSailors
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not at all ..I have dual nationality but I use the British one when abroad usually. I live in Turkey ..
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Irish Rover
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Türk müsünüz?
pmagowan
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Why then would you start a post about stuff like this (where nationality is important) saying you are 'a Brit' without (as you continue to avoid) telling us of your other nationality? It helps people to help you if you give relevant information in the OP. Otherwise it becomes a blood from a stone PITA.
TSailors
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evet
TSailors
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Sorry about missing details - I thought it would not be relevant, and I typed the original message quickly from my phone. Hate typing on tiny keyboards.Why then would you start a post about stuff like this (where nationality is important) saying you are 'a Brit' without (as you continue to avoid) telling us of your other nationality? It helps people to help you if you give relevant information in the OP. Otherwise it becomes a blood from a stone PITA.
Irish Rover
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Memnun oldum. I live in Kuşadası. Where do you live?evet
TSailors
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Fantastic, I live in Urla normally. Currently in Norway struggling to bring the sailboat back home..
Irish Rover
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We're practically neighbours then. Where are you planning to keep the boat in Türkiye?
srm
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"Norway" and "reasonable price" do not really belong in the same sentence.
Suggest you winter the boat in northern UK if you want something approaching reasonable prices. Orkney Marinas, Stromness or Kirkwall, used to be very reasonably priced and despite the latitude are usually safe winter berths, not sure about current costs. Then head offshore in the spring from UK or Ireland direct to Gibraltar. You will then have 90 days to transit the Med, though you can extend it by checking out of Schengen for a N African port.
As the boat is in transit VAT status should not be a problem passing through EU waters, or in UK, as you can temporary import for up to 18 months before tax becomes due. However, have you considered what the tax/duty costs are if you import the boat in to Turkiye?
A couple of alternatives are to have it trucked overland to the Med, possibly S of France, or pay a delivery crew.
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TSailors
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Many thanks! With the current condition of the North Sea, I'm afraid to take it to the UK, TBH. Novice sailors here.
In Turkiye, if the boat is foreign flagged, it essentially becomes the same as a tourist that comes to Turkiye with his/her boat and stays there. There are some limits, like you need to take the boat out (for a day or more) somewhere outside the country, and you get a transit log, and there are restrictions on where you can keep the boat (marinas or on anchor).
The shipping option sounds good actually, have you or anyone else used any shipping company before?
Any recommendations?
Many thanks!
pmagowan
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Any reason you chose a boat in Norway given you are a novice sailor and there are obviously significant issues with the transport to Turkey both physical and bureaucratic? Are there not loads of boats available at a fraction of the cost in Turkiye? Realistically, if you are novices, you will need to contact a specialist haulage company or organise for a delivery crew to sail it to where you want to go. I know it is a bit Irish to say so, but I wouldn't have started from here given where you want to go! There is a story here that we all are apparently not being informed of.
TSailors
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It was mainly the quality of the boats and the selling price. I had heard that Norwegian/Swedish boats have good reliability and they are not abused as many are in the Med, with long sailing seasons and chartering.
Indeed the boat we found is lovely, one (engineer) owner that had her for ages, took good care of her.
TBH, I didn't realize that the whole ordeal would be so difficult. Being novice has that effect as well
LittleSister
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British citizens do not need a visa to visit Schengen, and getting one only gives you the 90 days in any 180 days Brits already have.
Tranona
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I am surprised at your last sentence as you have been advised of all these pitfalls many times in your previous posts. The boat you have bought is "cheap" for what it is because nobody outside Norway wants them. It is essentially a closed market because the boats there cannot be used economically elsewhere, plus as pointed out they are designed for that specific market and really are not suitable for use in places like Turkey. Many people have tried this route before, seduced by the low purchase price and the often good condition of boats, but soon discover that it is impractical. The only cost that really matters is getting the boat to where you want to use it, and even on this score buying a boat in n Europe for use in the Med is a non starter unless you treat getting it there as effectively a holiday - that is the pleasure you get out of the journey outweighs the cost. It used to be easier in the past for UK residents when we were in the EU as both the boat and the people had freedom of movement, and also the other way - I had my first boat delivered from Germany to Greece, kept it there for several years and sailed it back to the UK. Then sold it to a UK resident who took it to Spain and eventually sold it there. Now none of this is viable for non EU residents.It was mainly the quality of the boats and the selling price. I had heard that Norwegian/Swedish boats have good reliability and they are not abused as many are in the Med, with long sailing seasons and chartering.
Indeed the boat we found is lovely, one (engineer) owner that had her for ages, took good care of her.
TBH, I didn't realize that the whole ordeal would be so difficult. Being novice has that effect as well
However we are where we are and really there are only 2 viable ways of getting your boat to Turkey. First thing you will have to do is re-register it. You will recall that you were strongly advised not to register it in Poland as you will not be able to enter the EU with Polish registration. The rules on Temporary Admission are quite clear - the boat must be registered outside the EU. British Part 1 is the best registration for you and in view of that the first route would be to sail to the UK first. The registry will issue a temporary registration pending the survey which can be done easily in the UK. You will be able to stop legally in Sweden, Denmark, Germany, Holland on the way, but will be using your Schengen days. There are no restrictions on you or the boat in the UK except the 18 months TA for the boat From the UK sail direct to NW France, entering at, say Brest and your next lot of Schengen days will take you well into the Med where you can lay the boat up until the next season where your 90 days will easily get you to Turkey. The alternative is to keep the Polish flag, sail direct to Hamburg and get a truck from there to Izola at the top of the Adriatic. From there you can sail non stop apart from Montenegro to Turkey without entering the EU.
No doubt you will find the cost of doing either of these will far exceed the value of the boat
srm
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Its not too difficult if you find someone who can sail to help you.
Day sail around Norway to the Marstein Light, marks the gap in the outer islands about 20 miles south of Bergen and good anchorages near. An overnight passage to Lerwick in Shetland, a bit under 200 miles. Day sail Lerwick to Fair Isle; day sail Fair Isle to Westray or Stronsay in Orkney; day sail using the tide down to Kirkwall.
However, its now getting late in the year. My last crossing from S Norway was eventually in September and October, having been delayed due to bad weather all summer in Denmark. It was not a novice passage. We followed the coast to Eggersund. Waited a couple of weeks then crossed to Peterhead leaving on the tail of a gale but motoring in a calm for the second half (as the weather charts predicted), then direct up to Kirkwall a week or so later in the next weather window. I was getting a bit concerned as time went on that we might have to leave the boat in Norway for the winter.
Sorry, can not help with road transport companies. I had the idea as the previous owner of my boat had her trucked from the South of France to a Channel port, then got someone to sail her to Plymouth in order to sell her. A case, as @Tranona says, of a northern waters boat not really being suitable for the Med.
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dunedin
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So what was your plan for managing Schengen days when you embarked on this purchase? Surely the VAT and Schengen issues were well flagged before you bought a boat in Norway (as Tranona reminds in post #37).
Irish Rover
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Are you sure you know the rules about importing a foreign flagged boat into Türkiye?