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I employed a firm to clean and polish my boat, a 48’ trawler yacht, not the hull, just the topsides. The following is an extract from their quote

“She will need a full valet before polishing. There’s also a few areas that will have to be hand polished but that’s not a problem just have to give it a bit more elbow grease!

2 days valet - complete boat wash of the whole exterior coach house, flybridge, fore & aft deck areas.

4 days cut and polish of whole exterior coach house, flybridge, fore & aft deck areas plus a wax coat for gleaming results. “

In light of the above, would you expect them to do the polishing before the full valet? And then after the polishing the only time it was cleaned was a quick wash down in the rain, including getting all the flybridge cushions saturated, and then a quick hand wax without using a machine buffer! And then leaving large sections of the canvas covers splattered with either polish or wax.

Unfortunately I wasn’t around to see the work being done, I’d actually left messages asking them to postpone the work till the spring! Again, unfortunately, it was claimed that my phone and text messages hadn’t been received, so the work went ahead without my knowledge.

What would you expect to be charged for this? The firm I used have previously done some good gelcoat work for me and my son, all be it, again leaving a mess behind, maybe that should have had the alarm bells ringing, but actually cleaning the boat you’d expect to get it back in a better condition than it was initially!! They obviously have done some polishing, not sure about the waxing bit, but equally have left large areas untouched. And I’d guess after speaking with my live aboard neighbour, they’ve spent a max of 3 days working.

To say I’m disappointed is an understatement, I could have done better with my electric polisher and buffer in not much more than a day. I’m in 2 minds as to what to do next, I initially said I wouldn’t be paying them anything until the job is completed to my satisfaction, but on reflection, I reckon I paid well under the odds for the previous gel coat work, so I offered to pay half what was quoted now, and discuss the balance when we meet, which can’t be for at least another month. But then I got the phone call from my partner saying she’d just spent 5 hours clearing up some of the mess they’d left behind, but more cleaning still needed. So I am not paying a anything at the moment. And I’ve told them not to go onto the boat again.

So what would you do? Pay nothing or a % of the original quote?
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I wouldn’t pay anything. 6 days to polish the topsides of a 48ft boat with more than one person working on it? 2 days “valet” beforehand? Even 3 days in total is ridiculous. The surface in the first photo is definitely not polished or cleaned by the looks of it. The finish in your second picture looks poor too. Ideally they should be achieving results like my image below. That whole top section probably took 20mins or so to polish and maybe a further 10mins after to wax.
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OP you haven't shown any pictures of your topsides. 'Topsides' are that part of a boat that which is between the waterline and deck. If you specified the job to be done just on the topsides it may be why your coachroof structure isn't cleaned.
 
Before the weather affects the 'shine' they have given you, is it worth engaging a proper boat cleaner to give a professional appraisal of their work. A n hour's work and a report - just in case the discussions become heated.
 
I'd give them a chance to put it right. Maybe this is not what they expected either. In view of the fact that you accepted the quote, the cost must have been agreeable if the results were good. So if they do put it right, that's the happiest outcome all round.

Tillergirl is right about the term "topsides" so that may be a factor although your extract from the quote clearly mentions the coachroof etc.
 
I would see the 2 day "valet" as 1 day before (can't polish a dirty surface, well not efficiently anyway) then one day after. However afterwards, it'd be a spray down with water at the most, any soaps / detergent will just negate the polish work. They've written coachroof so you'd expect it washed.

Too much mess on the covers would suggest they were using a lot, too much, polish at once (i.e. it's sprayed everywhere when the machine was applied...). Some will be acceptable but even that should be easy to remove from covers using water and a blue shurhold.

I'd go with Scala's response and see if they want the opportunity to put it right.
 
OP you haven't shown any pictures of your topsides. 'Topsides' are that part of a boat that which is between the waterline and deck. If you specified the job to be done just on the topsides it may be why your coachroof structure isn't cleaned.
Yes, my mistake, they can’t do the topsides as the boat is afloat. I should have said from the deck up. But they knew exactly what I wanted done.
 
So what would you do? Pay nothing or a % of the original quote?

Personally, I wouldnt take much notice of how much time they say they are going to do the job and in what sequence. Thats their business. The only things that would matter to me are the outcome and the total price

You havent mentioned what total price they asked for but, FWIW, I paid EUR €2500 to have the superstructure of my boat waxed and polished this year in the SoF. Given the fact that the SoF is the boating rip-off capital of the world and that there was probably a bit more work on my boat than yours, then I guess the cost of your work should be around GBP £1000-1500. Is that anywhere near?

Then the question is how happy you are with the job? 50% happy? 70% happy? I dont know but I would be using that % as a basis for negotiating their price downwards if you really want to ban them from your boat. Having said that, my inclination would be to point out the areas they've failed to do properly and give them the opportunity to put those right before you agree to pay them
 
We seem to be having a few of these type threads decrying either expensive hourly rates or poor workmanship by tradespeople.

when we bought our boat in August, we asked a ‘professional’ boat valet company to clean and valet our boat both inside and out. I didn’t ask for a cut/polish as we we will have this done in the spring. They quoted £500 for 2 days. The boat was absolutely filthy and hadn’t been used for some time.

when we visit the boat two days later, we were shocked at the very poor quality of the job. I took lots of pictures to show the areas of concern. they said they would come back to rectify the poor work, but not for another 3 weeks as they were very busy!

they said they had spent 14 hours on the boat, when we asked the Marina staff, they said, every time they saw them, they were on their phone...?

my wife and I then spent the next day and a half cleaning the boat. I paid them £150.

Makes me sooooo mad!?
 
If that is the best they can do and noting the canvas covered in polish, I wouldn't have them back as I would be worried about how they apply the polisher and in general care on your boat, e.g. next in the sunshine you will see swirl or "burn" marks or minor chips in the gelcoat.

I would also fit a remote camera so you know who's accessing your boat, a cheap solution for less than £100.

Anyway good luck in getting it sorted, so frustrating when this sort thing happens.
 
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Judging from those photos...not a penny frankly. In fact, I’d be inclined to invoice them for the time your partner had to spend cleaning up the mess they’d left. Out of interest, what was their quote?
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Without a really good look , knowledge of the exact time spent , and of course the figure we are talking about it’s difficult imho to call a figure out .
So I won’t .
How ever I have been doing my own ( with mates + two sliver lines ) for the best part of 10 years .
You never stop leaning .
The best products cost more , the best result takes time ,Theres no quick fix and yes basic stuff like too much paste , wrong rpm , or too dry .Even in the Med if the suns shining on the bit you are doing .
Having said that it’s pretty easy with plane water to remove platter .
A “ valet “ ? Sorry for me it’s just a good wash .
In the yard we use simple supermarket washing up liquid + water to wash + de grease with brush and green scrubbers prior to the polish .
For our 48 ft hull it takes about two blokes 2 hrs to wash it .
Two days to polish it, again two blokes .= The hull .
Fortunately very little super structure . We would take the covers off and move fenders ( they have socks ) .
Wipe up any splatter .

If it’s done properly, two pack Dulon or any 3 M cut followed by a “A N other “ choose what you fancy wax usually lasts the full season .
I can always tell when rinsing salt off at the dock it’s working as you still see the wax bead effect or globules .Its when you inadvertently spray and wash your un polished Neighbours boat you see the difference.

With regards to the general gripes from trades , can’t speak for U.K. ,but essentially I gave up in the Med once out of an outdrive boat and started DIY .
Just found the time ,Not so much a money thing just knowing it’s done right .Like correct engine oil and consumables , or in this case .Stopping with product x and trying y to get the better result .Then chucking x and putting it down to experience.

You have to by hand rub away black streaks with cif or similar before polishing.

It’s the same with teak .
Interestingly three boats near me had theres “ professionally done “ The bathing platforms .
So did the wife and I one day early July on our boat .
By September ours still looked ok .Theres was silver already .Again there is knack , out side this thread .
 
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