lenseman
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Yacht sunk at Queensferry today
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Bilgediver
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I don't think the skipper or crew play with us on here....Seems they were driven onto a lee shore by a strong easterly after equipment failures. Sail and machinery!!!.
The spinnaker seemed to enjoy the company of a nearby chimney.
The spinnaker seemed to enjoy the company of a nearby chimney.
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Shame about the yacht, seems it was new, but in 10 feet of water, one wonders how it sunk?
As a diver, there might be a salvage job for you in your back yard?
As a diver, there might be a salvage job for you in your back yard?
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awol
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It went aground on rocks and was, as far as I could see, towed off and sank as it was being taken into a small bay/harbour. Grounding was a couple of hours before high tide (springs). Jezebel II is a Corby 29 and as stated in the reports, brand new. Owner and crew are very competent and experienced.
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Yup, looks like the owner is Simon Howell if he is on here, I wish him my commiserations . /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
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Commiserations from Hugh Mackenzie, ex PEYC Commodore.
The Forth has always been a demanding sailing area with tidal streams (6m tides, 3knt currents), shallows and rocks. Over the years there have been a few total losses, groundings and dramas.
All this breeds some top class sailors.
The Forth has always been a demanding sailing area with tidal streams (6m tides, 3knt currents), shallows and rocks. Over the years there have been a few total losses, groundings and dramas.
All this breeds some top class sailors.
Seagreen
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Copied from the MCA report:
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A two week old yacht with seven people onboard had to be extricated from a <u>roof</u>
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Must have been one helluva breeze...
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A two week old yacht with seven people onboard had to be extricated from a <u>roof</u>
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Must have been one helluva breeze...
awol
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Houses are very close to shore. Spinnaker wrapped around chimney. Wind was claimed by some to be gusting around 30kts.
kingfisher
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30 kts and a spinnaker up? Big cojones.
Athene V30
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This is not intended as a criticism of the actions taken by Jezebel II, but I do not see why a Mayday was needed?
The report says 'Forth Coastguard received a mayday broadcast from the yacht Jezebel II at 12.45 this afternoon reporting that the vessel was hard aground and that it needed assistance. The Coastguard requested the South Queensferry RNLI lifeboat to launch and the Coastguard Rescue Teams from South Queensferry and Kinghorn to attend. Six of the crew were able to scramble ashore and the seventh stayed onboard.'
I thought Mayday = grave and imminent danger to life but as the crew could scramble ashore, no one was in 'grave and imminent danger'? Surely a Pan Pan was sufficient or does the Mayday definition include serious damage to boats too?
Commiserations still go to the owner & crew. I am sure it was frightening time.
The report says 'Forth Coastguard received a mayday broadcast from the yacht Jezebel II at 12.45 this afternoon reporting that the vessel was hard aground and that it needed assistance. The Coastguard requested the South Queensferry RNLI lifeboat to launch and the Coastguard Rescue Teams from South Queensferry and Kinghorn to attend. Six of the crew were able to scramble ashore and the seventh stayed onboard.'
I thought Mayday = grave and imminent danger to life but as the crew could scramble ashore, no one was in 'grave and imminent danger'? Surely a Pan Pan was sufficient or does the Mayday definition include serious damage to boats too?
Commiserations still go to the owner & crew. I am sure it was frightening time.
Topcat47
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Potential loss of ship is also an allowable "Mayday" situation these days. A rope round the prop is still a "PanPan" though (unless you're on a lee shore with a falling tide...................)
alldownwind
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Potential loss of ship is also an allowable "Mayday" situation these days. ............
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It is a lot less vague than that and always has been.
"Grave and Imminent Danger to a Person, Ship, Aircraft or other Vehicle Requiring Immediate Assistance", as anyone who has done the course should know! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
In the circumstances described I would have no hesitation in calling Mayday. Daft to assume the crew 'can scamble ashore'.
Potential loss of ship is also an allowable "Mayday" situation these days. ............
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It is a lot less vague than that and always has been.
"Grave and Imminent Danger to a Person, Ship, Aircraft or other Vehicle Requiring Immediate Assistance", as anyone who has done the course should know! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
In the circumstances described I would have no hesitation in calling Mayday. Daft to assume the crew 'can scamble ashore'.
ccscott49
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A mayday can always be downgraded to a pan-pan, sensible to send the mayday, then later downgrade.
Kawasaki
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I agree.
Bilgediver
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Seems it must all be in the name.....see this report from down under
LadyInBed
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"The lifeboat then towed the vessel off but unfortunately it sank and is now sitting in three metres of water"
It might have been better to leave it where it was /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif
It might have been better to leave it where it was /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif
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the spinnaker had to be cut off as it had wrapped itself around the roof of a house.
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That's one helluva spinnaker-wrap.....! /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
the spinnaker had to be cut off as it had wrapped itself around the roof of a house.
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That's one helluva spinnaker-wrap.....! /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
curve
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I'd love to see a picture of it around the chimney. Anyone got a link?
Sailfree
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The fact that they managed to scramble ashore does not prevent the call of a Mayday before they attempted it to be the correct course of action.
Windy, cold, cold sea, probably tired from trying to sort things what do you think they should have done?
Windy, cold, cold sea, probably tired from trying to sort things what do you think they should have done?
