Women Crew

[billmacfarlane]

Message to YM. Why is this rubbish been published ? I'm guessing it's a wind up but either way it's in bad taste. My other half introduced me to sailing twenty odd years ago and we sail as a team with different strengths and weaknesses. A question worded in such a way is an insult to all the women who sail , joke or not.

 

[claymore]

What a dreadful way to describe your wife - as a cripple.
I really am appalled
John S

 

[Guest]

Well said Bill It also says a lot about the ones that reply


Beth

 

[Guest]

Odd, that, because I read your earlier thread and came to exactly the opposite conclusion.

You can come and crew my yacht, but only if you know how to take orders from women... ;- ))

<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1>Edited by The_Fruitbat on Mon Mar 11 15:16:11 2002 (server time).</FONT></P>

 

[Guest]

Lovely post, Bill

 

[Jeremy_W]

Claymore, you plainly haven't understood Bill. He is the most un-PC guy around. He plainly loves Laurel to bits; admires her many abilities; and sees no need to disguise or diminish her disability (or differently-abled nature (sick)) with euphemisms. That is what matters! Not whether his language makes it through an ever-increasing series of linguistic hoops!

I agree, calling a stranger "cripple" or "spastic" is rude, however accurate the term may be. I'm not convinced the Jubilee Sailing Trust/wheelchair basketball term "wheelie"is any better. A teenage disabled rights activist assures me that "wheelchair user" is PC, so I'll avoid that term like the plague (oops, I've just trivialised the suffering of half Europe in the Middle Ages).

When Labour were running Liverpool, you couldn't be served "black coffee" in any Council Office - the PC term was "coffee without milk", lest your preference for unadulterated caeffine be misinterpreted as a lack of identification with the sufferings of African-Americans whose ancestors had been enslaved. What garbage!

 

[Guest]

My wife calls herself a cripple. It was the word used by our generation to describe a person whose limbs were insome way unable to function corrctly. It is a word that has been so used in the English language for centuries. Just because some sociological nitwits (and remember that sociologists are those who could not get a degree in a real subject) have taken against a word, does not mean it is invalid.

In my childhood, my state school held prayers on Thursday morning for all the poor 'savages' in Africa who could not look after themselves. We took our pennies to be sent for them. I do not have any problems with my then teachers. They were sowing the seeds of a sympathetic approach to people. I remembered it when I was on anti-slavery patrol off the coast of Africa where certain African tribes were happy to sell into slavery the members of the adjacent tribe. I have no illusions, and I have no illusions because I have seen.

There is nothing wrong with calling a spade a spade. I seem to remember an Oscar Wilde young lady character (The Importance, was it?) who said I am happy to say I have never even seen a spade. Some of these PC twits should get real. There are the practical abuses in the world to worry about. Stop worrying about our vocabulary.

William Cooper

 

[duke]

Bill,

"The Importance of being Ernest".

And I think you are being ernest!

Regards,

Duke.

 

[jimmie]

absolutely .. judge people by what they do, not necessarily what they say!!

 

[ccscott49]

A sociology degree is still a degree! But I agree with everthing else you said and your right to say it! Colin.

 

[tcm]

Re: Actual crew, or just friends, family?

If you mean actual paid crew - then professional skippers unfortunately don't seem to be available in the female form. Strange. But then they don't seem to fancy other mechanical vocations either, very much, surely a biological issue otherwise lots of tyrefitters and so on would be bombarded with requests for jobs from women. Most women (wisely?) look elsewhere.

 

[claymore]

Whatever next

now we have dinosaurs who can use computers - my, my.

 

[claymore]

Fine
I think I've just decided that this will be my final offering on this - personally I am offended by Mr Coopers phraseology and attitude. Thats my prerogative as, I am sure he feels it his to comment as he does.
I think I'd better call it a draw now before further offence, intentional or not, is caused.
Sincerely
John S

 

[Buck]

Cripples

This PC business is a load of poo, I'm a crip too, have friends who are crips, if anyone wants to refer to me as physically challenged then I'll cripple the condescending bastards. Is'nt it strange that the people who insist on being PC are the ones who don't have a grasp on what they object to? The term social cripple comes to mind, or should that be socially challenged?

Buck

Is more than one octopus, octopi or octopussies?

 

[bedouin]

Poppycock - Bill was not referring to you, he was talking about his wife. If she prefers to be described as a cripple then that is her choice - what on earth has it got to do with you?

 

[claymore]

Re: Women Crew n.m.

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