Why have a mast head flashing white?

Let's think seriously about the requirements for lights on small craft. In my view the lights have three main functions:

1 Attention grabbing: there's something over there!​

2 Differentiation: oh yes, that's a ...................​

3 Direction: and it's heading that way.​

In general, once function 1 has done its stuff, and made us aware of another ship's presence, then functions 2 and 3 are handled quite well by the existing lights. But where there seems to be a failing is in function 1. The existing lighting requirements don't grab our attention, and in particular they don't grab the attention of big ships' lookouts to the presence of small boats.

What can we do about it? The obvious thing is to increase the brightness (and hence visibility) of our lights, but then we run into the problems of power consuption. But if we make the lights brighter, do they need to be on all the time? As Searush has said, our eyes are remarkably good at detecting changes, a trait just as useful in a hunter as it is in the prey. I don't think we need to go to the multiple flashes per second; how about one flash every 5 seconds? Not as a compulsory light, but as an optional all-round light for, say, any craft under 20m long, and to be used in addition to their existing lights? Remember, it has just one function - to draw attention to a small craft. Once you are aware that something is there, the normal nav lights continue with functions 2 and 3.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not suggesting that we should all immediately fit such lights to our boats. I'm suggesting that work should be started in IMO to amend COLREGS to allow such lights. I'm aware that such changes have to be initiated from one of the national delegations to IMO, and that such changes take years. But isn't that a good reason for starting now?
 
Don't get me wrong. I'm not suggesting that we should all immediately fit such lights to our boats. I'm suggesting that work should be started in IMO to amend COLREGS to allow such lights. I'm aware that such changes have to be initiated from one of the national delegations to IMO, and that such changes take years. But isn't that a good reason for starting now?

Hmm, unlikely methinks. Is there a demonstrable problem which needs fixing?
 
Let's think seriously about the requirements for lights on small craft. In my view the lights have three main functions:

1 Attention grabbing: there's something over there!​

2 Differentiation: oh yes, that's a ...................​

3 Direction: and it's heading that way.​

In general, once function 1 has done its stuff, and made us aware of another ship's presence, then functions 2 and 3 are handled quite well by the existing lights. But where there seems to be a failing is in function 1. The existing lighting requirements don't grab our attention, and in particular they don't grab the attention of big ships' lookouts to the presence of small boats.

What can we do about it? The obvious thing is to increase the brightness (and hence visibility) of our lights, but then we run into the problems of power consuption. But if we make the lights brighter, do they need to be on all the time? As Searush has said, our eyes are remarkably good at detecting changes, a trait just as useful in a hunter as it is in the prey. I don't think we need to go to the multiple flashes per second; how about one flash every 5 seconds? Not as a compulsory light, but as an optional all-round light for, say, any craft under 20m long, and to be used in addition to their existing lights? Remember, it has just one function - to draw attention to a small craft. Once you are aware that something is there, the normal nav lights continue with functions 2 and 3.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not suggesting that we should all immediately fit such lights to our boats. I'm suggesting that work should be started in IMO to amend COLREGS to allow such lights. I'm aware that such changes have to be initiated from one of the national delegations to IMO, and that such changes take years. But isn't that a good reason for starting now?

I must admit that I realy considered fitting a grimes light to our boat when planning our trip south. In the end it was only the potential for hassle from police boats on the way that stopped me. The enhanced detection by the human eye of flashing lights was exactly the reason they started fitting grimes lights to surfaced submarines whos nav lights are notoriously difficult to sea, so there is good reason toadopt the same for yachts though how you get international approval is the stumbling block
 
Can I point out to all those with FLASHING lights which they use for anchor lights that for those of us living a quite life on board, the last thing we need at night is flashing lights around us.

it seems that where ever there are 3-4 yachts at anchor at least one of them will have a VERY bright flashing light GRR.

Peter
 
though how you get international approval is the stumbling block

In the case of bicycle headlights, which were mentioned earlier, the reason the rules changed was because cyclists ignored the rules and started using flashing lights. The Dept of Transport resisted the change for years but eventually had no choice but to accept what was happening in the real world.

Maybe yachties should do the same?

I certainly wouldn't criticise anyone for using a strobe in a sensible way....but I don't think I'ld be happy with somebody using one as an anchor light whilst parked up near to me..
 
I wonder whether some of the people on here have actually done any sailing?

First, in the average popular cruising anchorage, only about 25% of boats display any anchor light at all (even on completely moonless nights).

I would prefer not to have a drunken boat drive into me at night, so I maximise my visibility when appropriate. Continuous masthead anchor lights are easy to miss when a motor-boat drivers eyes are fixed straight ahead at water level at close range. Strobes are much easier to spot - hence I use my strobe if I think there is a risk of being hit by motorboat drivers. I do put my decklight on too if I think necessary. I am far less likely to be run into than most ofther boats illuminated in such a manner.

As Nigel Mercer points out - many boats have so many lights (particularly cruise liners) that it is impossible to see their navigation lights except when very close.

To those who claim that a flashing strobe might set off an epileptic seizure, or keep them awake at night - what drivel...

And to wind the day-skippers up further, whe well offshore I usually just sail with my anchor light on (all round white). My boat is only 9.5m long - not really significantly bigger than a 7m boat when in mid Ocean - so what is the problem. If another boat gets within 5 miles or so, I switch on my navigation lights. Because I am only running a bright white LED masthead light most of the time, I can run my radar to detect ships getting within range.


As anybody who has spent any time at sea at all will vouch, there is nothing more visible at distance than an all round white light, particularly at masthead. It will be spotted long before a tricolour. A small boat of 9.5m is no different to a small boat of 7m to a large ship - they are both effectively stationary objects.
 
I would prefer not to have a drunken boat drive into me at night, so I maximise my visibility when appropriate. Continuous masthead anchor lights are easy to miss when a motor-boat drivers eyes are fixed straight ahead at water level at close range. Strobes are much easier to spot - hence I use my strobe if I think there is a risk of being hit by motorboat drivers. I do put my decklight on too if I think necessary. I am far less likely to be run into than most ofther boats illuminated in such a manner.

I fully understand the point which you are making but, if I were parked up 100 ft away from you and trying to get to sleep in my forecabin, I would be a little miffed if I kept seeing a regular flash through the hatch.
To be honest, I don't know if it really would be a problem.....I've never seen anyone using a strobe as an anchor light......but if it was distracting it would be a little irritating.

But I do understand your reasoning though I would be just as concerned about being hit by a yacht as a mobo! :)
 
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But I do understand your reasoning though I would be just as concerned about being hit by a yacht as a mobo! :)

If they were doing the same speed I would agree, but it is not unknown for MoBo's to enter anchorages at 2-3 times the speed of most yachts. I generally approach an anchorage at around 1, maybe 2kts even in broad daylight. MoBos seem to come in at 5-6kts or more.

I guess that coming off the plane makes 6kts feel like they are parked, a bit like coming off the M-way at 70 into a 30 zone when driving your car.
 
In the case of bicycle headlights, which were mentioned earlier, the reason the rules changed was because cyclists ignored the rules and started using flashing lights. The Dept of Transport resisted the change for years but eventually had no choice but to accept what was happening in the real world.

Maybe yachties should do the same?

I certainly wouldn't criticise anyone for using a strobe in a sensible way....but I don't think I'ld be happy with somebody using one as an anchor light whilst parked up near to me..

I had not realised that the rules for flashing lights on bikes had changed. I'm now legal though the front light I only use in the flash mode when I can see where I'm going !
 
Lots of these in the ionian. Used at anchor and afaic quite effective. If you are showing an all round white and a flashing light i dont see the problem. after all the col regs say what you must show. Correct me if I'm wrong but colregs do not specify what you cant display. If they did all the cruise ships would be in contravention.

I like the idea of a flashing blue one though. Blue leds are very bright. Using a pattern like the Nasa round mount it would be a simple project to chase the Leds round in a circle, much like a police rotating beacon.

Hmm, connect it to the hifi and get it to act as a sound to light unit. Real disco style :)

On the subject of flashing strobes triggering epileptic fits.

Have you ever been to a French ski resort over Christmas? They decorate trees with really cool white flashing strobes. Not particularly strong but stronger and more 'in your face' than a masthead strobe whos power hardly reaches deck level let alone some boat half a kilometer or more away. ( tell the french to put signs up at all the resorts - christmas decorations may trigger fits :) )

These threads always remind me of a headstone inscription i first came across at school many years ago.

'Here lies the body of William Jay
Who died maintaining his right of way -
He was right, dead right, as he sped along,
But he's just as dead as if he were wrong.'
 
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Correct me if I'm wrong but colregs do not specify what you cant display. If they did all the cruise ships would be in contravention.

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IRPCS part C rule 20 part B

"The rules concerning lights shall be complied with from sunset to sunrise, and during such times no other lights shall be exhibited, except such lights as cannot be mistaken for the lights specified in these Rules or do not impair their visibility or distinctive character, or interfere with the keeping of a proper look-out."

Not sure how a flashing light would fit in with that.

But if you are genuinely worried about being run down by a ship, make sure you have the brightest possible navigation lights, and invest in a decent radar reflector and ais transponder.
 
On the subject of flashing strobes triggering epileptic fits.

Have you ever been to a French ski resort over Christmas? They decorate trees with really cool white flashing strobes. Not particularly strong but stronger and more 'in your face' than a masthead strobe whos power hardly reaches deck level let alone some boat half a kilometer or more away. ( tell the french to put signs up at all the resorts - christmas decorations may trigger fits :) )

I merely report fact - strobe lights at certain frequencies can trigger epileptic fits. See HERE if you don't believe me. I am sure that most public uses of strobe lights avoid critical frequencies of flashing; the frequencies are quite well-defined. But we are talking about flashing strobes at potentially high repetition frequencies. Most people who are affected know of the problem and avoid places (e.g. discos) where strobe lights are likely to be present.

Lights CAN have strong effects on people even without the epilepsy problem. Very many years ago - more than 50 - the Morecambe Illuminations featured a section where white lights were set of in "waves" along the street. They had to remove them because there were so many traffic accidents caused by drivers being disoriented by the light effects (see the end of the Wikipedia article referred to above). As a child I thought they were great - but my father, who was driving, hated them!
 
That cat that went around the world running on chip fat, before moving on to ramming Japanese whalers, ran down and killed a fisherman who was showing a strobe. IIRC, they were released without charge because they said they were confused because they thought it was a buoy that was not marked on their chart.
 
Makes you wonder about the reasoning - if they thought it was a buoy (even if not marked on their charts) why did they run into it? I was under the impression most people tried to miss buoys, they can be very hard and unforgiving.
 
Makes you wonder about the reasoning - if they thought it was a buoy (even if not marked on their charts) why did they run into it? I was under the impression most people tried to miss buoys, they can be very hard and unforgiving.

True.

But my points were a) they got confused and ran down the fisherman and b) they were let off.
 
I think not... ;)


The Highway Code
Rules for cyclists (Rules 59-82)


60

At night your cycle MUST have white front and red rear lights lit. It MUST also be fitted with a red rear reflector (and amber pedal reflectors, if manufactured after 1/10/85). White front reflectors and spoke reflectors will also help you to be seen. Flashing lights are permitted but it is recommended that cyclists who are riding in areas without street lighting use a steady front lamp.

[Law RVLR regs 13, 18 & 24)]


Is the Highway Code, law then, or simply a sensible set of recommendations?
 
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