Why are YBW in love with Contessas?

[Greenheart]

Wouldn't it be boring if we all liked the same sort of boat?

Hear, hear!

 

[sailorman]

My 32 was my last boat i never dreamt of changing her, UNTIL i saw my present boat :encouragement:

 

[lustyd]

Great little mantra, Lusty. Reminds me of what the marine-cadets tell themselves. Keep repeating it to yourself for long enough, in the end you'll be convinced. Or, maybe not. :biggrin-new:

Meanwhile, don't try to kid anyone else you think AWBs look great. They just look fit for purpose, like the fat caravans they are. Very comfortable, too.



Hard to argue with that. Not quite so pretty, but so much better below. And still a good performer with bilge keels! It'd be my choice, though I'd still be sad each time I saw a Co32.

That's your opinion but trying to tell me my opinion is wrong because you don't share it just makes you look silly. Fair enough, I accept you like wing back chairs and ****ty old boats, but that doesn't make my love of the modern lines of new boats any less valid.

 

[lustyd]

Hear, hear!

Oh the irony. You think it's better if we don't all like the same boat, yet just posted telling me I'm wrong for not liking the old **** you like!

 

[Greenheart]

Nurse, nurse!! He's out of bed again!!

 

[doug748]

.....................and I'd never suggest a Colvic Watson is better than a Co32; but neither is it worse, it's just very different, both the CW34 and the Co32 make big compromises...........

Well Amen to that. Just the very point I try to make myself. A lot. I start to believe that nobody reads posts very much, unless they wrote them.

 

[Colvic Watson]

Well Amen to that. Just the very point I try to make myself. A lot. I start to believe that nobody reads posts very much, unless they wrote them.

This thread seems to have made you angry. It may make you calmer if you read other ones instead, I'm sorry it has upset you. Maybe we should agree to differ

How about a Sadler 32, YBW jurnos love them as well, a better boat with fewer vices - a better all round package, not quite up to a Fulmar but we could agree it's better than a Co32?

 

[mrming]

Personally, in this size range, I would really like a Parker 31 one day. I seem to be a glutton for punishment regarding lifting keels of one sort or another!

 

[NDG]

"Why are YBW in love with Contessas?"

I can't help thinking it's to generate traffic to this website, which keeps the advertising revenue healthy. They probably know that an article about a Co32 is will give rise to strong views on both sides, which for some reason it does, and they just sit back and watch the site traffic increase. There's been 2,800 views on the thread so far.

There was a similar thread a couple of years ago when they did an article on CO32 versus (I think) a Bav 32, which generated loads of posts here. I haven't searched for it again but there's a definite sense of déjà view.

Next month there'll be an piece about anchors or Studland bay.

 

[Neil_Y]

Caravelle

Thanks Sailorman, that's the boat, funny how I always thought it was bigger

 

[doug748]

This thread seems to have made you angry. It may make you calmer if you read other ones instead, I'm sorry it has upset you. Maybe we should agree to differ

How about a Sadler 32, YBW jurnos love them as well, a better boat with fewer vices - a better all round package, not quite up to a Fulmar but we could agree it's better than a Co32?

No. I will explain.

What I am trying to do is tell you exactly where you stand, so there is no confusion in your mind. This seldom comes across as jolly. I would like to soften it for you but it is not an easy pill to sugar.

Your original post contained a very good question, unfortunately you chose to wrap it up in a load of gratuitous, sniping tripe. These posts are a bore. They are a bore when they are aimed at modern boats, at wooden boats, at old boats, at long keel boats, and at racing boats, and aye, at motor sailors as well I put my view on the good question in post 42.

If it was framed as a troll, as others have suggested, or simply an error of judgement, I have no idea. But if you make mundane and derivative comments using pointed, provocative language you cannot expect everyone to clap their hands. Put simply; you chose to stir up bad feeling, for no good reason, and now you strike your pose: zut alors! what is this, bad feeling.

Don't be shocked if a similarly less fastidious forum member decides to look unfavourably on your style of sailing. You will have done your own little bit to soil the atmosphere of the forum.

 

[JumbleDuck]

No. I will explain.

Do you own a Contessa 32?

 

[Aardee]

Before it gets too bitchy in here can I ask again which current production boats of 32' length you would consider suitable to short/single hand to Greenland? So far the only suggestion offered is the Finngulf 33. There must be others?
It's a serious question because if I ever get round to buying my own boat that's what I would be looking for.

Absolutely no idea - I have neither the time or the inclination to sail to Greenland at this stage in my life. Was the article about sailing to Greenland, or was it claiming (as the OP said) that the Co32 was the ideal "boat for all seasons"?

 

[Colvic Watson]

No. I will explain.

What I am trying to do is tell you exactly where you stand, so there is no confusion in your mind. This seldom comes across as jolly. I would like to soften it for you but it is not an easy pill to sugar.

Your original post contained a very good question, unfortunately you chose to wrap it up in a load of gratuitous, sniping tripe. These posts are a bore. They are a bore when they are aimed at modern boats, at wooden boats, at old boats, at long keel boats, and at racing boats, and aye, at motor sailors as well I put my view on the good question in post 42.

If it was framed as a troll, as others have suggested, or simply an error of judgement, I have no idea. But if you make mundane and derivative comments using pointed, provocative language you cannot expect everyone to clap their hands. Put simply; you chose to stir up bad feeling, for no good reason, and now you strike your pose: zut alors! what is this, bad feeling.

Don't be shocked if a similarly less fastidious forum member decides to look unfavourably on your style of sailing. You will have done your own little bit to soil the atmosphere of the forum.

Do you own a Contessa 32?

I don't know but I'm worried about his blood pressure. I mean seriously. For what it's worth that's the best telling off I've ever had, I'm not sure I understand his point but he certainly means it and you have to respect a guy for putting that much emotion into a forum post.

 

[lustyd]

Before it gets too bitchy in here can I ask again which current production boats of 32' length you would consider suitable to short/single hand to Greenland? So far the only suggestion offered is the Finngulf 33. There must be others?
It's a serious question because if I ever get round to buying my own boat that's what I would be looking for.

I would think it quicker to ask which are not suitable. Certainly all of the AWBs available would be more than adequate for the purpose, and anyone telling you otherwise has probably not done any challenging sailing in one.

 

[Colvic Watson]

The Vancouver 34 Pilot if we're allowed to stretch the parameters by 2 feet, but the Vancouver 28 would be totally fine. As for all AWB's I'm not sure I'd fancy it at all in a Hanse 325, that is a very exposed helming position, the Bavaria 33 would be a better choice but again I'd worry about that helm if the autopilot or windvane were struggling.

 

[dom]

Your original post contained a very good question, unfortunately you chose to wrap it up in a load of gratuitous, sniping tripe. These posts are a bore.

Oh for goodness sake; I love sailing all sorts of boats but most of all fast racing types. I should be more than happy to agree if Kipper was to say, "awesome down wind, but bone-shaking, wet and uncomfortable upwind". One day a designer will find a way to build a fast boat that doesn't have these drawbacks and Kipper may say that the current boats I sail have become like Ferrari F40s or Audi Quattro A1s - still great fun, but in an outdated sort of way.

He'll be right, that's progress, that's great and why on earth would I get mad at him for pointing it out?

 

[Greenheart]

...was it claiming...that the Co32 was the ideal "boat for all seasons"?

Surely not? Too damned wet, cramped and exposed.

Funny how ineradicable fondness for the lines of the Co32, are often confused with blind, unthinking adulation. Seems to me the design is far from perfect as a place to spend time for pleasure - but still retains undimmed visual appeal, if its practical shortcomings are overlooked.

I think the people who've gone with (and driven) yacht designers' rapid evolution into ever-more roomy, bulging slab-sided marina-hoppers, identify their choices as adequate and family-friendly, and maybe that identification with fitness for purpose, eventually translates into actual liking for the way they look? Maybe.

A forumite's apoplectic late-night pro-French responses to my idea of updating the Co32's interior, seemed to me wilfully narrow-minded. I was thinking that this very pretty boat could be gutted and refitted to provide almost luxurious accommodation for a couple, whilst retaining its charming character and individuality...

...what could be further from that, than the "cram 'em in" interiors of recent generations of continental AWBs? Other than in volume, how were they any kind of improvement?

Mr Kipper, I like Colvic Watsons as much as Contessas, probably more so, because I like to escape cold wet winds. But whatever their shortcomings, they both have recognisable style to distinguish them from the pontoon-loads of commonplace tedium. Colvs & Conts will never be that. AWBs are like mobos - everywhere you look, and dull as can be.

 

[mrming]

Seaworthy? Looks...sort of exciting, I admit...

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I don't think you can question the seaworthiness of the Pogo designs. It's been proven many times over. Just serves as an example of how much things have moved on since the Contessa 32. Not everyone likes the direction things have moved on in, but the people doing the innovating, and their customers don't seem to care. I know which boat I'd rather sail to Greenland in, and it would be the Pogo every time.

 

[Greenheart]

Okay. The huge beam just looked a bit dinghy-like to be comfortable in big seas. Especially when she's over on her gunwales with the mast in the water. Wonder what her AVS is?