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Volvopaul says do not touch a boat has this engines!


Does any one know what sort of risk I take if I buy a boat with those engines?

The boat is going cheap so is that because of engines?


Tom
 
If Tom is already running his 'White' motors.........

Cummins 450C, goes on the same footprint as 70 Series VP, same rated power, speed, existing gearbox will go straight on the back, no change to prop. Rock solid motor.

Supplied as Reconditioned units (Actually brand new) complete with engine mounts, instruments and two year 2,000 hr bumper to bumper warranty same as new motors. Around £15K a pop.

http://www.cmdmarine.com/engines/recon/index.html

Interested to know how VPaul compares that with 72 rebuild costs??
 
Latestarter1 said:
If Tom is already running his 'White' motors.........

Cummins 450C, goes on the same footprint as 70 Series VP, same rated power, speed, existing gearbox will go straight on the back, no change to prop. Rock solid motor.

Supplied as Reconditioned units (Actually brand new) complete with engine mounts, instruments and two year 2,000 hr bumper to bumper warranty same as new motors. Around £15K a pop.

http://www.cmdmarine.com/engines/recon/index.html

Interested to know how VPaul compares that with 72 rebuild costs??
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Any rebuild on old motors has to be taken very seriously these days, especially Volvo as the parts are not cheap.

I've recently rebuilt 2 tamd61a , it was a rebuild in the sense that they had whatever parts I could fit without taking the engine out the boat, so it had new pistons, liners, heads refined with new valves and seats etc, all coolers stripped down resealed and tested, along with new oil pump kits, the only parts that had to be left was the crank and bearings, along with front and rear oil seals.

Off the top of my head the total cost per engine was just over 7k that's round figures.

I do like the sound of new cummins qsb units at that price, funny how you don't see cummins advertising them in your face though.
 
volvopaul said:
Any rebuild on old motors has to be taken very seriously these days, especially Volvo as the parts are not cheap.

I've recently rebuilt 2 tamd61a , it was a rebuild in the sense that they had whatever parts I could fit without taking the engine out the boat, so it had new pistons, liners, heads refined with new valves and seats etc, all coolers stripped down resealed and tested, along with new oil pump kits, the only parts that had to be left was the crank and bearings, along with front and rear oil seals.

Off the top of my head the total cost per engine was just over 7k that's round figures.

I do like the sound of new cummins qsb units at that price, funny how you don't see cummins advertising them in your face though.
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Cos they are opless...

QSB top of the pops in US, Australian market, outselling next best selling engine in the displacement node (Volvo D6) by significant margin. CAT C7 and Yanmar LYA3 out of sight.

People queuing up to re-power Cat 3208 3116/3126, massive number of Detroit strokers.

The ReCon engine progamme gets around emissions legislation by building new engines to older designs in Mexico which now even includes 5.9 QSB engines in product line up with introduction of latest QSB 6.7.

To give some notion as to scale, pal of mine is just dealer, not distributor in Southern California has sold near 700 C's and QSC's in last ten years, repowering mainly Detroits 75% and with CAT 3208.3116/3126 picking up the rest. Add over 300 QSB's under five years as well as some heavy iron.

Lack of hunger makes them complacent. In Europe entirely different, Italy is strong, other than that distribution poor.
 
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Latestarter1 said:
Cos they are opless...

QSB top of the pops in US, Australian market, outselling next best selling engine in the displacement node (Volvo D6) by significant margin. CAT C7 and Yanmar LYA3 out of sight.

People queuing up to re-power Cat 3208 3116/3126, massive number of Detroit strokers.

The ReCon engine progamme gets around emissions legislation by building new engines to older designs in Mexico which now even includes 5.9 QSB engines in product line up with introduction of latest QSB 6.7.

To give some notion as to scale, pal of mine is just dealer, not distributor in Southern California has sold near 700 C's and QSC's in last ten years, repowering mainly Detroits 75% and with CAT 3208.3116/3126 picking up the rest. Add over 300 QSB's under five years as well as some heavy iron.

Lack of hunger makes them complacent. In Europe entirely different, Italy is strong, other than that distribution poor.
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Next time I'm involved in a repower we must get together, are these recon motors here on the shelf in the uk?.

I have been looking at an underpowered princess thats cheap, the green motors would make at least 12 k the pair, the qsb motors would go straight in apart from the zf 220s would need to go in favour of a zf 280 which there are plenty about at the moment.
 
volvopaul said:
Next time I'm involved in a repower we must get together, are these recon motors here on the shelf in the uk?.

I have been looking at an underpowered princess thats cheap, the green motors would make at least 12 k the pair, the qsb motors would go straight in apart from the zf 220s would need to go in favour of a zf 280 which there are plenty about at the moment.
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Cummins tend to hold motors at PDC in Belgium which is in the duty free zone for shipment anywhere in Europe, Middle East, Africa.

There is a 'trick' to get more capacity out of IRM 220A if you need to, will email you.
 
Latestarter1 said:
If Tom is already running his 'White' motors.........

Cummins 450C, goes on the same footprint as 70 Series VP, same rated power, speed, existing gearbox will go straight on the back, no change to prop. Rock solid motor.

Supplied as Reconditioned units (Actually brand new) complete with engine mounts, instruments and two year 2,000 hr bumper to bumper warranty same as new motors. Around £15K a pop.

http://www.cmdmarine.com/engines/recon/index.html

Interested to know how VPaul compares that with 72 rebuild costs??
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what brilliant information... they sound incredibly well priced! Forget D6's!!
 
Why Not ?

If it was me would try to find out if the engines have had any sort of service history and what condition they were currently in.
If OK and boat can be bought with a couple of replacement units at some point down the line factored into the price,buy it and just use the thing for as long as it is not costing any money.
As assuming 99% of boating will be sort of local and the other engine will get you home,worth a punt if you like the boat and its price.
In the meantime a bit of research into replacement units could keep you occupied and out of the The Anchor.
As I recall Unit18 bought his Laguna 36 ages ago with the old twin V8 yankee oil guzzlers in it and threatened to swap them all the while he had it.
Where still lurking in the engine room and performing just the same when he sold recently after many years of fun.
 
oldgit said:
If it was me would try to find out if the engines have had any sort of service history and what condition they were currently in.
If OK and boat can be bought with a couple of replacement units at some point down the line factored into the price,buy it and just use the thing for as long as it is not costing any money.
As assuming 99% of boating will be sort of local and the other engine will get you home,worth a punt if you like the boat and its price.
In the meantime a bit of research into replacement units could keep you occupied and out of the The Anchor.
As I recall Unit18 bought his Laguna 36 ages ago with the old twin V8 yankee oil guzzlers in it and threatened to swap them all the while he had it.
Where still lurking in the engine room and performing just the same when he sold recently after many years of fun.
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Unsurpringly I do not agree.

Boating is supposed to be for enjoyment.

I was involved a good few years ago with a Laguna 36 repoower with taking GM V8's out and replacing with Mermaid Ford 300's the owner was sick of having his weekends screwed up.

Likewise another recently retired pal purchased a Rapier with HT6 354's contra engines.

Spent big $$ on refitting the boat, first weekend charge cooler failed. All fixed then next time out exhaust manifold failed nearly sinking the vessel. Wife refused to ever go out again so boat put up for sale retirement dream over.

Boat with pair of very old Volvo 70 series, very sooty, tried getting heat exhangers cleaned siezed solid engines out, another very big bill.

Another boat with pair of 6.354's owner spent almost 7K a pop having engines totally rebuilt instead of replacing. Dogged with overheating on one engine, engine circulating pump NLA, had old unit rebuild after much faffing around, engine still overheating.

Not everybody enjoys having dirty hands in their time off......
 
Tamd70

The owner insists that engines are. Good and willing to take me out on a sea trial for 150 pounds cost of fuel.


And yes I do like the boat it's a 1993 so not even 20 years old ?


Tom
 
Best to go and have a look/ride then I think, maybe a bargain maybe not but you will have a lot better idea after looking.
 
I think one of the issues with the 72s is the heat exchangers. They are the same design as used on the 71Bs, Fine when new but can be a pig to get apart for checking/cleaning and the alloy castings used are a bit fragile and expensive if they need replacing (I had a porous one on a 71B - machine shop fixed it fine with a cover plate). The base diesel engine is I think the same as the 71B but with electronic control on the governor to limit smoke.

The problem with older ones is that if you can get the heat exchangers apart and check them out, then the rest will probably be fine. Unfortunately you cant do that unless you own it. On older units the risk you run is dezincification on the brass cores and damaging the alloy casting to get the cooling core out.

As with all motors if there is good service records and evidence the engine anodes have been maintained all will probably be well.
 
kashurst said:
I think one of the issues with the 72s is the heat exchangers. They are the same design as used on the 71Bs, Fine when new but can be a pig to get apart for checking/cleaning and the alloy castings used are a bit fragile and expensive if they need replacing (I had a porous one on a 71B - machine shop fixed it fine with a cover plate). The base diesel engine is I think the same as the 71B but with electronic control on the governor to limit smoke.

The problem with older ones is that if you can get the heat exchangers apart and check them out, then the rest will probably be fine. Unfortunately you cant do that unless you own it. On older units the risk you run is dezincification on the brass cores and damaging the alloy casting to get the cooling core out.

As with all motors if there is good service records and evidence the engine anodes have been maintained all will probably be well.[/QUOTE
No electronics on this motor. The turbo is larger one of the first to have a wastegate, the coolers were hopeless the brass cores are 1200 each and there are four per engine. The alloy housings they sit in are around 350 each again 4 of. Its the base unit that suffered that's why the upped the stroke to give it 7.2 litres over the 6.7 by the time the 74p was in everything was going common rail , Volvo lagged behind and the d range were well on the way by then.
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i would never buy another boat with 72's
my princess was about 10 years old when i got her and after 1 year i had number 5 cylinder pick up and had to be re built.
then a year later the other engine did the same.

i have 63p's now and they seem happy when i change boats i would think cats... dont hear much problems from them imho.
 
Ok I think I have been put off

As I love a bargain I did have to consider the tamd72 but will not pursue any more,glad to have the forum to get advise from.


Not really sure which boat for me the one that I really like Edership 49 is too big for swmbo but I love it..



Tom
 
mainshiptom said:
As I love a bargain I did have to consider the tamd72 but will not pursue any more,glad to have the forum to get advise from.


Not really sure which boat for me the one that I really like Edership 49 is too big for swmbo but I love it..



Tom
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I don't think it was ever a bargain with that White interior and those motors.

Find one with cats in or the 306 Volvo.
 
Volvo serie 70

Hallo Tom ,
a Friend of mine has two of those engines in his Storebro Adler 43 , build in the End - 70 th of the last century. The two TAMD´s have been supplied in the 80 th and they can deliver nearly 300 Hp. He bought the boat as 3.rd hand and he has no problems with the engines. They have been running abt. 3000 hrs , no problems . Some impellers were renewed,also belts,filters..... He likes his engines and they will get all the care as possible. No reason not to use Volvo 70 serie.
Greetings from the River Ems
Hermann
 
HermannLenz said:
Hallo Tom ,
a Friend of mine has two of those engines in his Storebro Adler 43 , build in the End - 70 th of the last century. The two TAMD´s have been supplied in the 80 th and they can deliver nearly 300 Hp. He bought the boat as 3.rd hand and he has no problems with the engines. They have been running abt. 3000 hrs , no problems . Some impellers were renewed,also belts,filters..... He likes his engines and they will get all the care as possible. No reason not to use Volvo 70 serie.
Greetings from the River Ems
Hermann
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Hi that would be the 70e rated at 306hp, a totally different engine to the tamd72a which was rated at 430hp.
 
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