Red Panda
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Move your boat to Lough Foyle marina, then for Transition Day just scoot up the Lough to Greencastle, and spend a night in the harbour there. No need to try to negotiate Malin Head in the middle of winter.
VAT status and Northern Ireland, 2021 and later
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dgadee
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My vat document is Dutch, boat will be in Greece at end of year, on UK Part 2 register. I plan just to say nothing when I finally get home to NI. I'm sure there will be chaos for more than a few years.
We may even have a border poll within the near future after yesterday's Irish election. My vat status will be the least thing on anyone's list of worries, I suspect.
We may even have a border poll within the near future after yesterday's Irish election. My vat status will be the least thing on anyone's list of worries, I suspect.
GTom
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EU formally accepts UK will not seek extension to Brexit transition period
This means three things to me:
1. Almost certainly No Deal brexit, NI also out of the EU VAT area. RoI should be the way to go or plan a longer trip South, to France.
2. All this happening on the 31 December
3. Alternatively, they will reshuffle the cards and there will be an extension anyway:
This means three things to me:
1. Almost certainly No Deal brexit, NI also out of the EU VAT area. RoI should be the way to go or plan a longer trip South, to France.
2. All this happening on the 31 December
3. Alternatively, they will reshuffle the cards and there will be an extension anyway:
temptress
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No one knows, subject to a contract not yet negotiated,
GTom
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Figured, and afraid nothing happened in the past 5 months that moved things an inch forward. Very unlikely to see a resolution (not to mention a favorable one) in the coming 6 months either. The only thing I and likely many other yachties hope for is an extension.
dgadee
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My understanding would be that NI would still be treated as part of the UK. The "border issue" surely wouldn't have anything to do with VAT status? My presumption was that it just about current goods moving. Tell me if I am wrong.
On this border issue, I can only imagine that it will become near impossible to order anything from England to be sent to NI. It frequently costs much more in delivery at present (free Mainland delivery and £30 to NI is one example) and many eBay sellers won't send here at all. With extra paperwork for VAT they will just stop selling to NI, I fear.
And I didn't realise that London is getting an extra tunnel! £1.2 billion! On top of Crossrail I and II! What about our vacuum tube thingy which goes whoosh between Donaghadee and Portpatrick?
On this border issue, I can only imagine that it will become near impossible to order anything from England to be sent to NI. It frequently costs much more in delivery at present (free Mainland delivery and £30 to NI is one example) and many eBay sellers won't send here at all. With extra paperwork for VAT they will just stop selling to NI, I fear.
And I didn't realise that London is getting an extra tunnel! £1.2 billion! On top of Crossrail I and II! What about our vacuum tube thingy which goes whoosh between Donaghadee and Portpatrick?
Red Panda
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My plan was to relocate my boat to the RoI this summer, but lockdown means she's far from ready and I've got other priorities for the summer.
However, she was originally imported from Sweden and I have a letter from HMRC saying that she's not VAT liable. I'm hoping that means I'm exempt, but not sure.
However, she was originally imported from Sweden and I have a letter from HMRC saying that she's not VAT liable. I'm hoping that means I'm exempt, but not sure.
GTom
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Best is if you have the original Swedish bill. I'd anyway get a t2L from HMRC Salford to be on the safe side and obviously keep (and keep copies of) the RoI marina bill from the 31 December - 1 January. As it is Winter, I am looking for a reasonably priced hard on the East coast of
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dgadee
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Don't be telling them they live in Eire. The Irish know it as "Ireland".
Quandary
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When I lived in Norn Irn, in the loyalist stronghold of Ballymena we called it the 26 counties or the Free State, Ireland was a rugby team or a country from a century ago.
Always thought there was an exteme irony in the Unionist regarding it as free when they were still in voluntary subjugation.
Always thought there was an exteme irony in the Unionist regarding it as free when they were still in voluntary subjugation.
dgadee
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Students in NI called the 'Ulster Fry' an 'Occupied Six Counties Fry'.
Red Panda
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No, we didn't, we called it "a fry".
Red Panda
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Back on topic.
I've got a 1993 letter from the HM Customs & Excise, with a C88 form stating "the vessel is deemed to be VAT paid within the European Community".
I'm hoping that means my boat can remain an EU vessel after partition, sorry, separation, oh whatever - you know, the thing at the end of December.
I've got a 1993 letter from the HM Customs & Excise, with a C88 form stating "the vessel is deemed to be VAT paid within the European Community".
I'm hoping that means my boat can remain an EU vessel after partition, sorry, separation, oh whatever - you know, the thing at the end of December.
dgadee
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Depends which side of the peace wall you were on. I never said all students called it that.
GTom
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Most of us supposed to have that, better known as T2L. Got mine this January from Salford HMRC. Still, the guidance is that we should keep the boat on €U VAT area (not necessarily EU territory) on the factual brexit day.
Red Panda
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That could be tricky, I don't think I'm even going to relaunch this year so unless I trailer her across the border, she'll still be in Norn Iron.
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Maybe find a marina in an EU country willing to hire you a berth for the two days over the 31st December/1st January.
As long as you have the receipt stating you had a berth, wouldn't that be enough?
After all, that's all the proof you'd have, in most cases, if you had actually moved your boat
As long as you have the receipt stating you had a berth, wouldn't that be enough?
After all, that's all the proof you'd have, in most cases, if you had actually moved your boat
GTom
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NI might stay in the EU VAT area, depending on how the cards play out. Also there is a chance for extension.
dgadee
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The Protocol doesn't seem to suggest that first option. But, I suppose, you can never trust Johnson.
GTom
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I am far from trusting politics, just giving it a chance. The backstop seemed to offer that, but honestly I have to update myself on the topic:
Brexit and the Irish border - Wikipedia
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