One A.
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Have they talked about the tax on the rental income?
UK Sailors And Expats In The EU - Run Up To Friday 29th March 2019 & Beyond?
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Have they talked about the tax on the rental income?
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We were told about the tax on rental income from the start. My SWMBO is looking after the details (fortunately she likes projects!) but as I understand it we will have to register as a micro business, submit an annual tax return and pay 20% income tax on the rental income net of expenses at 50%. Is that about right? We're not looking at this as a money making venture, more as a way of defraying some of the costs of running the property and I know a lot of people say that!
One A.
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Good to hear, it is a French pass time to grass your competition up to the tax man.
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Do you mind me asking? Do you have a rental property in France yourself?
One A.
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Did, pm on its way...
nortada
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http://epaper.theportugalnews.com/mobile/index.html#p=6
For those who cannot access the paper, the latest full page spread on Brexit.
Although it doesn't add much to what is already known, it would appear that, post Brexit, Brits will not be required to get a visa to visit EU countries, so under current rules Schengen would not be triggered?
My assumption is that on arriving in an EU country, you will have a date stamp in your passport, which will be inspected when you leave to ensure you have not over stayed your 90 in 180 day allowance?
However, Brits who have a Certificado De Registo De Cidadao Da Uniao Europeia, will not be subject to the 90/180 rule, so will be able to remain in the EU for as long as they wish.
A strong argument for getting a Certificado De Registo De Cidadao Da Uniao Europeia before next March. If you can.
See Portimao Camara has joined Lagos in making it very easy to get a Certificado De Registo De Cidadao Da Uniao Europeia but Lagoa is still playing hard-ball. Wonder if this has anything to do with both Lagos and Portimao having large marinas and being heavily dependent on expats and tourism? Be interesting to hear how Albufeira, Vila Real de Santo Antonio and the other 16 municipalities are responding to requests for a Certificado De Registo De Cidadao Da Uniao Europeia?
For those who cannot access the paper, the latest full page spread on Brexit.
Although it doesn't add much to what is already known, it would appear that, post Brexit, Brits will not be required to get a visa to visit EU countries, so under current rules Schengen would not be triggered?
My assumption is that on arriving in an EU country, you will have a date stamp in your passport, which will be inspected when you leave to ensure you have not over stayed your 90 in 180 day allowance?
However, Brits who have a Certificado De Registo De Cidadao Da Uniao Europeia, will not be subject to the 90/180 rule, so will be able to remain in the EU for as long as they wish.
A strong argument for getting a Certificado De Registo De Cidadao Da Uniao Europeia before next March. If you can.
See Portimao Camara has joined Lagos in making it very easy to get a Certificado De Registo De Cidadao Da Uniao Europeia but Lagoa is still playing hard-ball. Wonder if this has anything to do with both Lagos and Portimao having large marinas and being heavily dependent on expats and tourism? Be interesting to hear how Albufeira, Vila Real de Santo Antonio and the other 16 municipalities are responding to requests for a Certificado De Registo De Cidadao Da Uniao Europeia?
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Tony Cross
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This meeting has now taken place. Not only was the vice-consul from Heraklion present but the British Ambassador to Greece herself was also there.
In very general terms (there was obviously a lot discussed) the ambassador said that if there is a deal, any deal, then all the rights of UK citizens living in Greece will remain unchanged. If there is no deal that cannot be guaranteed but all the indications are that even in that case the rights of UK citizens living in Greece will remain unchanged.
They key information provided was that all UK citizens in Greece must abide by the existing EU rules. That means you must register (with the tourist police) if your stay in Greece exceeds 90 days, and you must do that before March. When asked a question about the status of liveaboards the embassy staff admitted that this was an area they know nothing about, but the vice-consul was quite firm that it is not acceptable for UK citizens to live aboard their yachts for more than 90 days in Greece without registering. The unsaid implication was that if you don't register before March your rights to stay might be less clear cut.
Those who were registered 5 or more years ago and who have an address in Greece will be given permanent residence and if this option is available to you then you should do so before March. They weren't able to confirm whether a marina address would be accepted for this.
The vice-consul also advised all permanent residents to exchange their UK driving licenses for Greek driving licenses before March to avoid the possibility of having to buy an International Driving License every year. She pointed out that if one returns permanently to the UK at any time in the future the DVLA will change it back.
There were some questions about tax. The ambassador was quite clear that income tax is paid in the country in which the income arises. Although the 183-day tax resident rule wasn't mentioned it would be wise to obtain a Greek tax number if you exceed that, this does require you to file a yearly tax return (with zero tax to pay). Although the Greek authorities don't seem to have worried too much about that so far they might after March.
The basic message was, get registered and don't worry...
This meeting has now taken place. Not only was the vice-consul from Heraklion present but the British Ambassador to Greece herself was also there.
In very general terms (there was obviously a lot discussed) the ambassador said that if there is a deal, any deal, then all the rights of UK citizens living in Greece will remain unchanged. If there is no deal that cannot be guaranteed but all the indications are that even in that case the rights of UK citizens living in Greece will remain unchanged.
They key information provided was that all UK citizens in Greece must abide by the existing EU rules. That means you must register (with the tourist police) if your stay in Greece exceeds 90 days, and you must do that before March. When asked a question about the status of liveaboards the embassy staff admitted that this was an area they know nothing about, but the vice-consul was quite firm that it is not acceptable for UK citizens to live aboard their yachts for more than 90 days in Greece without registering. The unsaid implication was that if you don't register before March your rights to stay might be less clear cut.
Those who were registered 5 or more years ago and who have an address in Greece will be given permanent residence and if this option is available to you then you should do so before March. They weren't able to confirm whether a marina address would be accepted for this.
The vice-consul also advised all permanent residents to exchange their UK driving licenses for Greek driving licenses before March to avoid the possibility of having to buy an International Driving License every year. She pointed out that if one returns permanently to the UK at any time in the future the DVLA will change it back.
There were some questions about tax. The ambassador was quite clear that income tax is paid in the country in which the income arises. Although the 183-day tax resident rule wasn't mentioned it would be wise to obtain a Greek tax number if you exceed that, this does require you to file a yearly tax return (with zero tax to pay). Although the Greek authorities don't seem to have worried too much about that so far they might after March.
The basic message was, get registered and don't worry...
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De.windhoos
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If residency registration is the same as in Turkey you'll need to have an annual contract with a Marina.
If residency registration is the same as in Turkey you'll need to have an annual contract with a Marina.
macd
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I can think of no reason why it should be the same, and several reasons why it shouldn't -- not least that UK nationals have a right of residence in Greece.
I can think of no reason why it should be the same, and several reasons why it shouldn't -- not least that UK nationals have a right of residence in Greece.
Graham376
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Yes but, to be resident they want a residential address and a marina contract "may" be acceptable.
Yes but, to be resident they want a residential address and a marina contract "may" be acceptable.
Besonders
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Having obtained Greek temporary residency within the past 6 months i can confirm that not only is a marina contract acceptable but so is a contract from the yard with an accompanying letter to support your presence in Greece. This has worked for me and several friends of mine, The residency registration process was complicated but obviously not impossible with a little help from an unpaid greek friend.
Having obtained Greek temporary residency within the past 6 months i can confirm that not only is a marina contract acceptable but so is a contract from the yard with an accompanying letter to support your presence in Greece. This has worked for me and several friends of mine, The residency registration process was complicated but obviously not impossible with a little help from an unpaid greek friend.
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Graham376
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That's good news, so we know Portugal and Greece accept marina contracts as proof of residence. What about other countries, anyone obtained residence elsewhere without shore side address?
That's good news, so we know Portugal and Greece accept marina contracts as proof of residence. What about other countries, anyone obtained residence elsewhere without shore side address?
Tony Cross
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It's not - and you don't. It's an EU requirement, any EU citizen who stays in another member state for more than 90 days is required to register.
You do need a Greek address and when we registered in 2012 we didn't have an annual marina contract, but they still accepted the marina as a Greek address.
It's not - and you don't. It's an EU requirement, any EU citizen who stays in another member state for more than 90 days is required to register.
You do need a Greek address and when we registered in 2012 we didn't have an annual marina contract, but they still accepted the marina as a Greek address.
25931
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As you say more than 90 days and you are required to register so if, for example, you are staying for six months you wouldn't have an annual contract.
As you say more than 90 days and you are required to register so if, for example, you are staying for six months you wouldn't have an annual contract.
macd
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What absolutely is not an EU requirement is that any citizen must have a fixed address. Totally academic, of course: in the real world, local authorities will do as they see fit.
What absolutely is not an EU requirement is that any citizen must have a fixed address. Totally academic, of course: in the real world, local authorities will do as they see fit.
Tony Cross
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That might be true, but if you're spending more than 90 days in a country you have to be living somewhere, I doubt 'on the streets' would be acceptable.
That might be true, but if you're spending more than 90 days in a country you have to be living somewhere, I doubt 'on the streets' would be acceptable.
captmikecoin
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Would you care to explain the full procedure? I need to do this shortly.
Would you care to explain the full procedure? I need to do this shortly.
Graham376
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Yes, a bit contradictory. The EU view is that if you're in a country for a given period then you're resident there but, the government departments won't accept "no fixed abode", they demand an address.
Yes, a bit contradictory. The EU view is that if you're in a country for a given period then you're resident there but, the government departments won't accept "no fixed abode", they demand an address.
Tony Cross
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Go to the tourist police, you'll need to take....
Passport plus two photocopies
3 passport type photographs
Proof of address (a marina receipt was OK when we registered)
You may be also asked for....
Proof of medical cover. An EHIC should be fine.
Proof you have sufficient resources to support yourself. Take a bank statement etc.
We were not asked for either of the above when we registered nor when we converted that to permanent residence.
You may need to be insistent, the level of 'interest' in doing this varies...
Go to the tourist police, you'll need to take....
Passport plus two photocopies
3 passport type photographs
Proof of address (a marina receipt was OK when we registered)
You may be also asked for....
Proof of medical cover. An EHIC should be fine.
Proof you have sufficient resources to support yourself. Take a bank statement etc.
We were not asked for either of the above when we registered nor when we converted that to permanent residence.
You may need to be insistent, the level of 'interest' in doing this varies...
macd
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Precisely.
But illegally. (And, again, academic...except when it isn't :ambivalence
I doubt 'on the streets' would be acceptable.
Precisely.
But illegally. (And, again, academic...except when it isn't :ambivalence
