Tie up your boat - MBY video

MapisM said:
I don't think he was.
With his last post, if anything, jfm subtly drifted a bit from the specific subject at hand into a philosophical debate, sort of.
But still very logic and faultless, hence hardly qualifiable as a troll.
I'd rather come to terms with that, in your boots... :)
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Philosophical ‘sort of’... but definitely not trolling; you and he/she are very funny people.
 
end. Boat cleats are invariably lower and shorter and the final turn round with a tug locks the line under the 088...
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I am late to this debate but boat cleats lower ... than the dock ? I cannot think of one occasion that has been the case.
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Stern to mooring they are always higher ( perhaps and this is only s perhaps in Soller which has a very very high dock wall they might have been but even that is 50/50 ). In the U.K. on a pontoon - they must be higher or the boat would be under water.

I can’t see why you would ever not lock off a line. Just wrapping it round does not secure it
 
J, he means the cleats are themselves of low height, like 4 inches instead 8, so when you do oxxo there is so little space left that the final "o" jams under the cross bar of the cleat, thus broadly doing some of the job that a locking turn does. (I'd call that an undersized cleat myself but let's not go there!)
What he therefore says is that the final "o" needs some kind of jam and shouldn't be left loose just sitting there as a "naked oxxo". He's saying some jam is needed. And at the dock end he is absolutely against oxxo without a lock.
He is therefore conceding but prefers to hurl "trolling" accusations than admit his back peddling. No matter because it is plain to see, so this thread won't go into the archives with dodgy advice by an RYA badge waver left to stand.
Your last sentence is obviously seamanlike.
 
john_morris_uk said:
Philosophical ‘sort of’... but definitely not trolling; you and he/she are very funny people.
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Well, since we never met and obviously the same must be true for yourself and jfm, the neutral gender is formally understandable, I suppose.
Otoh, you are not new to the asylum.
Thinking that a Brit serial boat buyer who goes as far as jfm does in speccing his boats and a silly Italian who spent almost two decades of TLC on a timber trawler could be "she", well, THAT is a funny idea... :D
Thanks for starting my day with a good laugh! :encouragement:
 
Tee hee. John Morris and I spoke at some length on the phone a month or two ago. He was v helpful in sorting out the kerfuffle when posts containing **s were pulled. He knows I am a bloke.
All very odd. :nonchalance:
 
jfm said:
J, he means the cleats are themselves of low height, like 4 inches instead 8, so when you do oxxo there is so little space left that the final "o" jams under the cross bar of the cleat, thus broadly doing some of the job that a locking turn does. (I'd call that an undersized cleat myself but let's not go there!)
What he therefore says is that the final "o" needs some kind of jam and shouldn't be left loose just sitting there as a "naked oxxo". He's saying some jam is needed. And at the dock end he is absolutely against oxxo without a lock.
He is therefore conceding but prefers to hurl "trolling" accusations than admit his back peddling. No matter because it is plain to see, so this thread won't go into the archives with dodgy advice by an RYA badge waver left to stand.
Your last sentence is obviously seamanlike.
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There is still one loose end....the original instructional video on how to tie up a boat
 
We do both , for the plus reasons of both methods .
It just so happens the cleats on the boat , size ( not weedy btw ) relative to the stern lines and bow lines iirc 16 mm ?
You can do a 0XX0 and crucially pull the final 0 kinda under to seemingly lock .
They have never been accidental kicked loose either while we are on board .

This means a woman s finger nails are not compromised letting go .She just lifts the bitter end say a M or so and unwinds it all .
Use 0XX0;in our own berth with own proportion lines to cleats ( came with the boat ) when we know we are going out next day and it’s dead calm etc .

How ever we also use 0XX with a lock when we leave the boat weeks unattended and especially from Nov to May , where it just sits in the closed season .
We also lock off if a blow is forecast in a storm and even when visiting new marinas , - don,t want the embarrassment of it coming loose on a busy Fr August bank hol in a rammed marina with all sorts of various beamed boats pressing sideways .

Sure if the lines been dropped in the sea , then it bakes hard in the sun ( normally rinse with fresh ,buy not allways possible)
In these circumstances I normally free them off , turn the locks out so ladies and teenage girls can let slip .

In Medical science we don,t do black / white , we try not to polarise —— we recognise grey areas and overlaps ,over cautious to 100 % comit .
Respect the other view of others .
 
jfm said:
Absolutely not, as already commented by Mapism above. This is meant to be a decent yachting forum. You argue for oxxo at length while waving an RYA instructor badge, while others argue a locking turn is important. You question the seamanship of the locking turn.

Then you admit that a lock is after all needed at the dock end of the line, while at the yacht end only the low height of some cleats makes the last "o" ok because it jams the line. In other words you agree a naked oxxo is not generically ok, at either end of the line, after all. Which is what the locking turn "side" in this debate have said from the beginning.

All I care about is that daft ideas like naked oxxo being generically suitable for tying up yachts are not left to stand as a sensible ideas on here, lest anyone new to yachting reads that. And that's where we now are so we've reached the end of the road. That is not trolling, as you well know.
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You are quite right of course. My apologies for the trolling comment; it was late and I’d had a long day. And now I understand you were talking about not leaving lines left with loose ends and unsecured on the dockside readingback through the entire thread I can see where you are coming from. The fact that I never leave boats with lines as 0880 or 080 with locking turn or not at the dock end meant we were talking at cross purposes. A cleat at the boat end where the final turn neatly jambs under the cleat and line seems perfectly sized to me.

Reading back, I’ve indicated several times that people can choose to follow whatever practice they wish. Just don’t call locking turns on cleats on big boats ‘best practice’.
 
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petem said:
John Morris's posts above relate to tying up at the boat end. But on my boat I use the spliced end threaded through the centre of the boat clear and looped over. Is this ok?
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Perfectly OK in my book, Pete......as this is exactly what I do on my little 6m tub!!
 
petem said:
John Morris's posts above relate to tying up at the boat end. But on my boat I use the spliced end threaded through the centre of the boat clear and looped over. Is this ok?
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Exactly the way I leave my boat and I have always used a “lock” when securing to the pontoon cleat.
 
Kawasaki said:
Peeps, I have been gigglin at this Thread
It's like 'wots the best anchor'!
Oh No!!!
Someone might suggest which is one
:D
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Well, not quite. 'Best anchor' threads are normally full of different views. In this instance everybody agrees that finishing off with a 'locking turn' is undoubtably best practice except one (who now seems to suggest you should jam the end of the warp under the cleat..?)
 
ari said:
Well, not quite. 'Best anchor' threads are normally full of different views. In this instance everybody agrees that finishing off with a 'locking turn' is undoubtably best practice except one (who now seems to suggest you should jam the end of the warp under the cleat..?)
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What a bizarre interpretation of what's been discussed. Are you reading the same thread?
 
:D I come back after a hiatus and note there is a long queue of sailors wielding their boat hooks waiting for their turn to beat you on this score John. Their sum of years experience cannot easily be discounted. A valiant retreat may be called for :p
 
BruceK said:
:D I come back after a hiatus and note there is a long queue of sailors wielding their boat hooks waiting for their turn to beat you on this score John. Their sum of years experience cannot easily be discounted. A valiant retreat may be called for :p
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I’m all for choosing ones battles and I’m also not one for willy waving over years of experience. If people read the thread they’ll see I’m not ploughing a completely lonely furrow on my views.

I also know that yachting can produce some strong characters who don’t like their ingrained habits being questioned.

I certainly don’t think it’s a matter of winning or losing as most sensible people can see that things are not as cut and dried as some might claim. (Me included no doubt..)
 
Well I cant disagree there except on the account that it is no longer deemed the work of the Devil to use a locking turn. If you dont object I will take that as an pyrrhic victory if nothing else and continue to use one. :encouragement:
 
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