Tidal heights changes caused by 18.61 years cycle of lunar 'wobbles'

[franksingleton]

This thread does not see to know if it is about tides or climate. Some climate posts are either twaddle or just fanciful. Westherather Weather systems have vast amounts of energy. A moderate thunderstorm has about one H-Bomb’s worth of energy. A tropical storm generates about 6 H-Bomb’s worth an hour There is no conceivable way that energy could be harvested.
I would remind posters that there is a climate change forum. I am surprised that Mods have not called order.

 

[lustyd]

There is no conceivable way that energy could be harvested.

No current conceivable way that you're aware of. That's why it's useful to discuss with others, you might inadvertently learn something new!

 

[franksingleton]

No current conceivable way that you're aware of. That's why it's useful to discuss with others, you might inadvertently learn something new!

Having a scientific background, I am usually careful in what I say. Can you envisage any likelihood of being able to extract useful energy from a thunderstorm? I cannot and there are many people far more clever than I am who would have looked into the possibility. Like so many others, you forget that some scientists and engineers are extremely clever people. Don’t you think that such ideas would have been explored had there been even a small chance of success. Get real!

 

[Chiara’s slave]

It wouldn’t be much different to putting the mushroom cloud back in the bomb case.

 

[lustyd]

Indeed, but for some of us the level of difficulty isn't related to the possibility or feasibility. There was a time when people genuinely thought we couldn't get to the moon. Some still think that way, I guess. Others worked on the problem and solved it, moving humanity forwards. Those who fight for their limitations get to keep them.

To specifically address your statement though, the mushroom cloud isn't in the bomb case in the first place, just the bomb workings which release the energy which creates the cloud.

 

[franksingleton]

A little thought about how thunderstorms and depressions form would show that the concept is a non-starter. Comparisons with space flight and moon landings are not valid. The barriers perceived were technological, ie can we build a vehicle with a sufficient power to weight ratio? Extracting energy from a thunderstorm would be like setting off a nuclear explosion and then retrieving the energy.

 

[lustyd]

It's not impossible, we just don't know how yet. Many things we have today would look like magic to people from only a hundred years ago. The fact that we don't yet know how to do it doesn't make it impossible, nor would it mean it's magic when someone eventually works it out. Obviously you won't be part of the solution, but that's no reason the rest of us can't discuss it.

 

[franksingleton]

Fine words but showing no appreciation of atmospheric physics.

 

[Chiara’s slave]

The main reason why there’s no effort into harvesting thunderstorm enery is that theres no need. Solar, wind and tidal energy could provide a large proportion of our needs, with nuclear filling the gap. All of them are clearly variable, except nuclear, we can never rely on them entirely. Yesterday afternoon here was cloudy, windless and a very small tide. And that happens a lot more regularly than every 18.61 years.

 

[lustyd]

Nobody said there was a need. For some inexplicable reason the argumentative element on the thread said it was impossible and I was highlighting that it’s not, it’s just hard. Completely different discussion.

 

[franksingleton]

The main reason why there’s no effort into harvesting thunderstorm enery is that theres no need.

Nonsense. It is physically impossible.

Solar, wind and tidal energy could provide a large proportion of our needs, with nuclear filling the gap.

Agreed. A major, as yet unsolved problem, is storage of energy.

 

[franksingleton]

Nobody said there was a need. For some inexplicable reason the argumentative element on the thread said it was impossible and I was highlighting that it’s not, it’s just hard. Completely different discussion.

You cannot even start to suggest a mechanism to extract useable and useful energy from a thunderstorm. You are talking pie in the sky. If pointing out nonsensical statements makes me an “argumentative element“, then so be it.

 

[Chiara’s slave]

It’s certainly impossible at current, or any currently imaginable technology. I don’t recall even any sci fi on the subject, and I’m a bit of a geek on that.

 

[franksingleton]

It’s certainly impossible at current, or any currently imaginable technology. I don’t recall even any sci fi on the subject, and I’m a bit of a geek on that.

That explains all.

 

[lustyd]

That's the point though, it appears impossible. That's different to being impossible. Some have a closed mindset and decide those are the same thing, others have an open growth mindset and accept there are things we don't yet know. Nothing we currently know prohibits success here at all.

 

[Beneteau381]

This thread does not see to know if it is about tides or climate. Some climate posts are either twaddle or just fanciful. Westherather Weather systems have vast amounts of energy. A moderate thunderstorm has about one H-Bomb’s worth of energy. A tropical storm generates about 6 H-Bomb’s worth an hour There is no conceivable way that energy could be harvested.
I would remind posters that there is a climate change forum. I am surprised that Mods have not called order.

The problem is Frankie that some key board warriors see things in black and white. I introduced a simple question, what did the power in the wind do downstream of it before we extracted terrawatts. Nothing judgemental, just a simple question. Nothing about climate change!
Surely a simple question for a scientist such as yourself to answer? You are a scientist arent you?

 

[franksingleton]

That's the point though, it appears impossible. That's different to being impossible. Some have a closed mindset and decide those are the same thing, others have an open growth mindset and accept there are things we don't yet know. Nothing we currently know prohibits success here at all.

You still will not and cannot make any suggestion, even a glimmer of one, as to how you can extract energy from a thunderstorm.

 

[franksingleton]

The problem is Frankie that some key board warriors see things in black and white. I introduced a simple question, what did the power in the wind do downstream of it before we extracted terrawatts. Nothing judgemental, just a simple question. Nothing about climate change!
Surely a simple question for a scientist such as yourself to answer? You are a scientist arent you?

Can you frame your question more clearly?

 

[Beneteau381]

Can you frame your question more clearly?

Sigh

 

[lustyd]

You still will not and cannot make any suggestion, even a glimmer of one, as to how you can extract energy from a thunderstorm.

Why would I need to? I also don't have a plan on how to travel at light speed, but I've not ruled that out because I have an open mind and believe most things are achievable in the long term.