Thought for the day (non boaty)

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I was driving through New Cross yesterday on the A2 into London, and i saw a chair in the middle of the road. A wooden dining room chair, standing upright, as if placed exactly in the middle of the road, facing the London-bound traffic. I though briefly about removing it, or somehow moving it out of the way , but the road is wide, and far too busy to stop. There's no central reservation at that point, so the chair sat astride the white lines, as if the empty seating position of some lunatic suicidal protestor.

As I got closer, a coloured guy was hovering on the side of the road, wanting to cross to the middle, as if about to retrieve the chair. Perhaps he'd had a bit of an accident carting chairs about the place, or it's fallen from his roof rack, I thought. I slowed for him, and he walked to the middle of the road. But he didn't pick up the chair. He looked at it quizically, and looked around. It obviously wasn't his chair. He left it alone, crossed to other side, and looked back to the chair, and carried on walking.

Initially, i was somewhat annoyed at the fact that he didn't move the chair away from the middle of the road. It wouldn't have taken a moment. Of course, he might have had a bad back, or simpy be incredibly lazy, but i don't think so. But then I thought about it.

If I saw a chair in the middle of the road anywhere in the UK, I'd move it. I've never seen a chair placed in a road before like that in the UK, but nevertheless I'd know it shouldn't be there, and move it to the pavement.

But ...if I was visiting another country, and especially another continent, I wouldn't instinctively *know* that chairs shouldn't be in the middle of the road for at least a year, or maybe several years - or (since this is the first chair i have seen like that in over 40 years) it might take at least twenty years or perhaps never? I wouldn't move the chair. Certainly, if I saw a chair in the middle of the road I might think it was a bit mad, tell my mates and so on - but I wouldn't know for sure if the chair should be there or not. I'd leave it alone, just as that coloured chap did.

I wonder if "belonging" or assimilation into another culture, another part of the country or another continent can be ecapulated by this simple event? It's not changing your colour, or being utterly fluent in the accent or the language, nor supporting the "home team". It's being part of the furniture, in more sense than one. You feel at home when you know if chairs should (or shouldn't) be placed in the middle of the road.


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Re: Part of the furniture

I think its important to consider such perennial questions whilst driving along - especially as we're not allowed to use mobile phones any more ( can you honestly say you were giving the road your full attention whilst wrestling with the vexed problems of longing and belonging, alienation and self-worth?)
However I think it more likely that the man was familiar with episodes of Candid Camera or Trigger Happy TV - expecting a head to appear out of a manhole and shout GET OFF MY CHAIR, or a man dressed as a squirrel to throw nuts at him.Its easier not to stick your head above the parapet. Or maybe the chair on closer inspection didn't quite match the five he'd bought at auction the day before.
Nice thought though.

PS you didn't write any of those 'thought for the day' items that used to be on Radio 4 at 8 in the morning, did you?

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I can't quite get the sense of your question.

Leaving chair left in the middle of the road is what mad people do (especially one like the A2! - where I used to come from incidentally). I appreciate you couldn't stop easily there so that's not a dig at you.

Someone could get killed either hitting it or avoiding it. Dead is dead in any culture.

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read it and thought uh oh you are going to get a slagging here, our more politically correct members will call you racist.
but you are correct in what you say, the germans used to catch american agents in france during the war because only americans cut up their food with a knife and fork, put the knife down, transfer the fork to their right hand and then eat their food with the fork in their right hand.
a perfect example of what you have just pointed out.
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The "coloured" chap din't pick it up cos he was a stool pigeon! If you think about it logically. Its in the middle of the road. Theres thousands on cones in long lines on the roads all over the country. You shouldn't be stradling the white line anyway and when was the last time you hit a cone.

Plus if you stopped and picked up the chair and moved it to the pavement, would you then be guilty of flytipping.

Or it could be that a new sport has been invented extreme traffic surveying. So in reality how much has that single chair in New Cross cost you in productivity. Spending time typing your observations of your morning commute to work and not applying your time to your daily business.............hah see, makes you think doesn't it!

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I remember being in the Prefecture in Rennes at the same time as a couple of African guys. We were queuing for the information desk. But the Africans got their critical distances wrong (Bretons like a lot of space) and kept lounging all over the desk of the lady doing the information. I knew they'd have to come back another day for what they wanted and I also knew they'd never know why! Of course a frosty Englishman is dead right for Breton bureaucrats, and she turned to me with some relief. Mad.
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I've always thought that the most important "acceptance" test that newcomers have to pass is learning the correct etiquette for crossing the road. Failure to get this right first time invariably results in familiarisation with the medical services of the host country, or possibly repatriation via a box in the hold. Based on (limited) observation:

Switzerland
The Green Man is king, you never ever ever cross on red. People have total confidence in the green man, so they don't even look left or right before stepping out, they just keep walking towards the light.

England (outside London)
Green Man or pedestrian crossing gives confidence, making eye contact with drivers and all round observation is a smart move.

England (London)
Speed is of the essence.

Beijing, China
Total Chaos. Traffic lights are almost meaningless, the Green Man leads you in front of the 38 ton lorry that has just turned left on the red light. The lorry's brakes were last changed in 1956, you are distracted by someone selling you DVD's and CD's, the road is wet ...

The real trouble comes when the group of Swiss travellers goes to Beijing: probably a 50% casualty rate on the first day.

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There are two types of London pedestrian. The quick and the dead.
Ever tried crossing the road in Naples? You can spot a foreign car driver because he stops at red lights.

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Holland. Bikes rule the road, taking precedence over all motorised and pedestrian traffic. Any car that collides with a bike, no matter what the circumstances, faces heavy fines and insurance payouts. You can never look right and left sufficient times.

For Brits, getting used to the fact that bikes almost always have their own lanes takes some getting used to. A colleague from Aberdeen suffered a serious injury when crossing a bike lane and a cycle going the wrong way collided with him. But the pavement is no less safe. Just this morning a girl on a bike only just missed colliding with me from behind as I walked in to work. She was on the pavement, riding a yard to the right of the cycle track. Reaching the traffic lights on red she ignored them and rode on. Traffic crossing her path screeched to a halt. It's going to take me some time to get used to the fact that riding like this back in UK will get me killed!

Agree about Beijing but not much different in Damascus, Buenos Aires and plenty of other places.

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It's a very common occurrence in Atlanta for example to have armchairs, ladders and, once, even a bulldozer in the road, all of which have fallen from vehicles. The local radio warns people of the hazards, but I've never seen the police or anyone else do anything. But then the country is only a couple of 100 years old and possibly no-one has told them what the custom should be/forums/images/icons/smile.gif.

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When I go to METS and specifically when crossing Damrak in Amsterdam my head is almost constantly rotating, what with the bikes, all the traffic in an unusual direction, trams, taxis where trams should be, phew.., then there's the junction by the old mint where they all meet, time to hide in a crowd and go where the crowd goes, and only when the crowd goes.

BTW I thought you weren't here. In the Far East or filling out the pension book.

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There's a chap who "lives" outside our local 7 - 11, who, (had he been there), would undoubtedly have sat in it. With a sleeping bag over his knees and a couple of dozen cans of lager for breakfast, lunch, and dinner, he would shout abuse to all the passers by; he would have enjoyed a charmed life and several more near death experiences; he would have added a little zest to his fogged existance and entertainment for the drivers suffering heart spasms trying to miss him.



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