nortada
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Re: 10 mtr motor boat, am I OK going to Portugal?
That's Portugal for you:encouragement::encouragement:
That's Portugal for you:encouragement::encouragement:
The Truth About Sailing On The Algarve
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blampied
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Re: 10 mtr motor boat, am I OK going to Portugal?
Thank you for all your responses, it's helped put my mind at rest, looks like I will be heading for Portugal!
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Thank you for all your responses, it's helped put my mind at rest, looks like I will be heading for Portugal!
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Tranona
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Re: 10 mtr motor boat, am I OK going to Portugal?
Neither has Greece but still the ICC is acceptable for chartering. Other countries do the same. Clearly not an issue high on the political agenda.
Neither has Greece but still the ICC is acceptable for chartering. Other countries do the same. Clearly not an issue high on the political agenda.
nortada
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Re: 10 mtr motor boat, am I OK going to Portugal?
Look forward to you pitching up in Lagos when I will treat you to a beer.
Another place for useful information is http://lagosnavigators.freeforums.org/cruising-feedback-f27.html
Look forward to you pitching up in Lagos when I will treat you to a beer.
Another place for useful information is http://lagosnavigators.freeforums.org/cruising-feedback-f27.html
25931
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Re: 10 mtr motor boat, am I OK going to Portugal?
The GNR are interested in people not boats.The marine questions are dealt with by the navy and the Policia Maritima who are usually very reasonable. As long as you are wearing the courtesy flag they probably won't even bother to talk to you.
The GNR are interested in people not boats.The marine questions are dealt with by the navy and the Policia Maritima who are usually very reasonable. As long as you are wearing the courtesy flag they probably won't even bother to talk to you.
Sandyman
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Re: 10 mtr motor boat, am I OK going to Portugal?
Quite correct Graham. Got a visit from Policia Maritimo here in Bruce's Yard last year. They asked for my ICC.
I asked why they wanted to see it as I had never been asked for it before on previous inspections.
They told me it was now standard practice & all skippers would be asked to produce it in the future.
Time will tell, but I doubt it very much.
Quite correct Graham. Got a visit from Policia Maritimo here in Bruce's Yard last year. They asked for my ICC.
I asked why they wanted to see it as I had never been asked for it before on previous inspections.
They told me it was now standard practice & all skippers would be asked to produce it in the future.
Time will tell, but I doubt it very much.
nortada
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Re: 10 mtr motor boat, am I OK going to Portugal?
Agree, be interesting to hear others' experiences and as many abroad no longer subscribe to the RYA (why should they), are the Policia Maritimo still accepting Yachtmaster Certificate, which never expires, as an alternative to the ICC, which, as a paper exercise, has to be renewed every 5 years?
Agree, be interesting to hear others' experiences and as many abroad no longer subscribe to the RYA (why should they), are the Policia Maritimo still accepting Yachtmaster Certificate, which never expires, as an alternative to the ICC, which, as a paper exercise, has to be renewed every 5 years?
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GrahamM376
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Re: 10 mtr motor boat, am I OK going to Portugal?
On the visit mentioned by Sandyman, I'm told by 2 other friends in the yard that one produced an out of date ICC and the other a Day Skipper practical certificate. Both were accepted as it seems some officials just want to see a bit of paper without understanding what they're looking at.
On the visit mentioned by Sandyman, I'm told by 2 other friends in the yard that one produced an out of date ICC and the other a Day Skipper practical certificate. Both were accepted as it seems some officials just want to see a bit of paper without understanding what they're looking at.
nortada
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Re: 10 mtr motor boat, am I OK going to Portugal?
So far as I recall, whilst both the Yachtmaster & ICC boast the holders' picture, the Day Skip doesen't so apparently any old bit of paper will do. Will the next thing be a radio operator's licence or current ship's radio licence - for a British flagged vessels the last could be difficult?
So far as I recall, whilst both the Yachtmaster & ICC boast the holders' picture, the Day Skip doesen't so apparently any old bit of paper will do. Will the next thing be a radio operator's licence or current ship's radio licence - for a British flagged vessels the last could be difficult?
Ludd
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Re: 10 mtr motor boat, am I OK going to Portugal?
Current radio licence should not be a problem, since annual renewal was discontinued and the last one was for life.
nortada
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Re: 10 mtr motor boat, am I OK going to Portugal?
True in the UK but if a Portuguese flagged boat do you need a new ship's ration Licence annually?
True in the UK but if a Portuguese flagged boat do you need a new ship's ration Licence annually?
Sandyman
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Re: 10 mtr motor boat, am I OK going to Portugal?
Graham. Could it be that outdated documents are accepted because they realise you cannot suddenly become incompetent............... every five years? Maybe they just don't accept here money making scams like the ICC. Seems to me such things would not sit easy with them. Could be they are free to make their own judgement & free to use their own common sense.
Graham. Could it be that outdated documents are accepted because they realise you cannot suddenly become incompetent............... every five years? Maybe they just don't accept here money making scams like the ICC. Seems to me such things would not sit easy with them. Could be they are free to make their own judgement & free to use their own common sense.
chinita
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Re: 10 mtr motor boat, am I OK going to Portugal?
Hmmm, dunno about that. I know I have put the genny sheet the wrong was around the winch after a few months ashore! : )
Hmmm, dunno about that. I know I have put the genny sheet the wrong was around the winch after a few months ashore! : )
nortada
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Re: 10 mtr motor boat, am I OK going to Portugal?
Despite it's title; I am far from convinced that the ICC was ever proof of any competence. Rather an RYA money making scam to fool Jonny Foreigner and it worked!
Despite it's title; I am far from convinced that the ICC was ever proof of any competence. Rather an RYA money making scam to fool Jonny Foreigner and it worked!
GrahamM376
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Re: 10 mtr motor boat, am I OK going to Portugal?
I'm not surprised they don't know what they're looking at as they most likely hadn't ever seen an ICC when they received their instructions to inspect. I am however surprised when anyone gets away with anything out of date as Portuguese life is dictated by paper trails, it's a nightmare and very time consuming trying to do anything with utilities or officialdom.
I'm not surprised they don't know what they're looking at as they most likely hadn't ever seen an ICC when they received their instructions to inspect. I am however surprised when anyone gets away with anything out of date as Portuguese life is dictated by paper trails, it's a nightmare and very time consuming trying to do anything with utilities or officialdom.
Tranona
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Re: 10 mtr motor boat, am I OK going to Portugal?
Nothing to do with the RYA. Its origins is with the CEVNI group that controls most op the European canals, persuading the UN to sponsor an international certificate based on their requirements. This morphed into the ICC and the authority for issuing it is with government. The RYA is merely the delegated authority in the UK that administers it. Other governments similarly delegate authority or have their own state qualifications that also qualify for the issue of an ICC.
Nothing to do with the RYA. Its origins is with the CEVNI group that controls most op the European canals, persuading the UN to sponsor an international certificate based on their requirements. This morphed into the ICC and the authority for issuing it is with government. The RYA is merely the delegated authority in the UK that administers it. Other governments similarly delegate authority or have their own state qualifications that also qualify for the issue of an ICC.
chinita
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Re: 10 mtr motor boat, am I OK going to Portugal?
The RYA is also the 'delegated authority' to deal with Privileged Ensign Warrants.
Something tells me that they do not take on these responsibilities out of the goodness of their heart.
The RYA is also the 'delegated authority' to deal with Privileged Ensign Warrants.
Something tells me that they do not take on these responsibilities out of the goodness of their heart.
nortada
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Re: 10 mtr motor boat, am I OK going to Portugal?
We seem to have morphed from measure of competence into who is responsible for issuing the ICC?
Seem to recall that a Day Skipper Certificate trumps an ICC and what is more it doesn't expire.
We seem to have morphed from measure of competence into who is responsible for issuing the ICC?
Seem to recall that a Day Skipper Certificate trumps an ICC and what is more it doesn't expire.
Tranona
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Re: 10 mtr motor boat, am I OK going to Portugal?
No, as with any agent performing a service from which the user benefits there is a payment. How could it be any different when the only person who benefits from a voluntary piece of paper is the person who requests it. The only way it could be free is if the government was prepared to pay the cost of issuing the piece of paper - but not sure the general taxpayer and the Daily Mail would agree with that.
No, as with any agent performing a service from which the user benefits there is a payment. How could it be any different when the only person who benefits from a voluntary piece of paper is the person who requests it. The only way it could be free is if the government was prepared to pay the cost of issuing the piece of paper - but not sure the general taxpayer and the Daily Mail would agree with that.
Tranona
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Re: 10 mtr motor boat, am I OK going to Portugal?
How can one "trump" the other when they are different things. A full Day skipper is a qualification and an ICC is a certificate of competence. If you have Day Skipper you are automatically entitled to an ICC, and it is free if you are a member of the RYA.
How can one "trump" the other when they are different things. A full Day skipper is a qualification and an ICC is a certificate of competence. If you have Day Skipper you are automatically entitled to an ICC, and it is free if you are a member of the RYA.
