The Hamble in Spate

[Resolution]

I've kept yachts on the Hamble for most of the last 15 years (but left for the Med last year) and worked in boating businesses there for much of that time. I have berthed in three different marinas and on mid-river pontoons. So I think I have a bit more experience using it than Dylan. The speed limit within the river confines is there partly to reduce the risk of collisions and partly to minimise wash erosion of the banks. Mostly the former, as the river is lined with boats moored to fore-and-aft piles or pontoons which absorb the wash and leave shallow waters free outside the lines of moored boats. There is a fair amount of dinghy sailing on the Hamble, most of the time they go out at High Tide and use these safe shallow waters. Seems fine by me. Also quite a lot of canoes. Great fun while you are fit enough.
Regarding Dylan's complaints about mobos, firstly they will (hopefully!) have paid their berthing which includes harbour dues and thus gives them financially more shouting power than free users of the river, like most canoes, secondly they keep a good number of engineers in employment which is a key part of the local economy. You will not be popular ashore if you force them to move out.
Finally it was ludicrous to complain of the wash OUTside the river confines. In Southampton Water there are large areas to the side of the marked deep water channel that would be fine for a small sailboat such as his.
But maybe all he really wanted was a picture of big expensive mobos going fast so that he could fabricate a complaint? Sounds like tall poppy envy to me.

 

[dylanwinter]

I've kept yachts on the Hamble for most of the last 15 years (but left for the Med last year) and worked in boating businesses there for much of that time. I have berthed in three different marinas and on mid-river pontoons. So I think I have a bit more experience using it than Dylan. The speed limit within the river confines is there partly to reduce the risk of collisions and partly to minimise wash erosion of the banks. Mostly the former, as the river is lined with boats moored to fore-and-aft piles or pontoons which absorb the wash and leave shallow waters free outside the lines of moored boats. There is a fair amount of dinghy sailing on the Hamble, most of the time they go out at High Tide and use these safe shallow waters. Seems fine by me. Also quite a lot of canoes. Great fun while you are fit enough.
Regarding Dylan's complaints about mobos, firstly they will (hopefully!) have paid their berthing which includes harbour dues and thus gives them financially more shouting power than free users of the river, like most canoes, secondly they keep a good number of engineers in employment which is a key part of the local economy. You will not be popular ashore if you force them to move out.
Finally it was ludicrous to complain of the wash OUTside the river confines. In Southampton Water there are large areas to the side of the marked deep water channel that would be fine for a small sailboat such as his.
But maybe all he really wanted was a picture of big expensive mobos going fast so that he could fabricate a complaint? Sounds like tall poppy envy to me.

I must say I am imensely flattered the way you chaps imagine what my feelings are

Now you put it that way I see that you are entirely correct

what a fool to myself I have been these last five decades

I would love big planing mobo

 

[Seajet]

Dylan,

while I share your taste on boats and private jetties, some completely irrelevant feedback from me;

Mobo's are much, much more skilled and considerate than they used to be

If I get hit by a big wash in sheltered water at a pontoon or mooring or just setting off - years ago I had a crew injured by a mobo speeding in the Medina while he was getting our main up - then naughty words and gestures are justified, but if I'm in the open 'oggin - which I rate Solent outside harbour marks as - I think I'm fair game and supposed to be wave proof.

The Hamble in Full Spate was, as others have said, a quiet day, it's horrifying and depressing to a lifelong Solent sailor so god knows what non Solent types make of it; on the bright side, remember Pearl Harbour had ' Battleship Row ' with all the best targets kindly lined up; a few passes with cluster bombs and the British Boat Building Business would be back into full swing; wouldn't affect the Solent at all though as 99% of the Hamble boats never go anywhere.

Re Lord Montagu's river, I was hoping you'd really let rip as the place deserves, and it's a shame you didn't try the Master Builder's pub, which makes Fawlty Towers seem like a well greased Rolls Royce driven by Edward Fox - but has the former's attitude and the latter's prices...

 

[prv]

you appear to be suggesting in the above that the speed limit in the Hamble is there as an aide to avoid collisions and has nothing to do with washes

Would make sense. Mobos make more wash when going slow-ish than when going fast - dragging their bums through the water instead of skimming over the top of it.

Pete

 

[nicho]

I must say I am imensely flattered the way you chaps imagine what my feelings are

Now you put it that way I see that you are entirely correct

what a fool to myself I have been these last five decades

I would love big planing mobo

I'm afraid you are coming over as a condescending bore Dylan. I'm sure you are loving every moment of expressing your detestation of mobos, but in the Solent, which by the way is a great place to be based, 99.9% of the boaters are tolerent of each other.
I trust you have bu** rerd off back to the East Coast now, and leave raggies and mobos to live in the general harmony that exists in the Solent.
No doubt you will find fine words to put me down as I am nowhere near as articulate as you, but at least I'm not a tedious troll.

 

[dylanwinter]

I'm afraid you are coming over as a condescending bore Dylan. I'm sure you are loving every moment of expressing your detestation of mobos, but in the Solent, which by the way is a great place to be based, 99.9% of the boaters are tolerent of each other.
I trust you have bu** rerd off back to the East Coast now, and leave raggies and mobos to live in the general harmony that exists in the Solent.
No doubt you will find fine words to put me down as I am nowhere near as articulate as you, but at least I'm not a tedious troll.

I sincerely apologise on all counts

 

[dunedin]

I'm afraid you are coming over as a condescending bore Dylan. I'm sure you are loving every moment of expressing your detestation of mobos, but in the Solent, which by the way is a great place to be based, 99.9% of the boaters are tolerent of each other.
I trust you have bu** rerd off back to the East Coast now, and leave raggies and mobos to live in the general harmony that exists in the Solent.
No doubt you will find fine words to put me down as I am nowhere near as articulate as you, but at least I'm not a tedious troll.

nicho, perhaps you should re-read your own post - not sure which of you the first sentence applies to, but reflects more on the writer than the intended target

seems to be the grumpies are out for dylan today

 

[jac]

This thread does seem to be going off in potentially personal directions. Can we perhaps agree to disagree and let Dylan get on with editing the next film.

 

[keelbolt]

Vol control is normally the big rocker switch, top of the right hand side, under the mute button. (Unless you've Really been playing with settings in which case you're on your own!!)

No, you're holding your ipad upside down and back to front! It's on the bottom right.

 

[keelbolt]

I'm afraid you are coming over as a condescending bore Dylan. I'm sure you are loving every moment of expressing your detestation of mobos, but in the Solent, which by the way is a great place to be based, 99.9% of the boaters are tolerent of each other.
I trust you have bu** rerd off back to the East Coast now, and leave raggies and mobos to live in the general harmony that exists in the Solent.
No doubt you will find fine words to put me down as I am nowhere near as articulate as you, but at least I'm not a tedious troll.

Seems to me that the issue isn't so much about MOBOs, but about common courtesey. If i walked past you in the street in a way that spilled your shopping, I would expect to apologise, maybe even help you pick it up. But that doesn't seem to be the case with the boat pictured in Dylan's clip. Of course MOBOs are free to use the open sea as they choose. But common courtesey might temper that freedom on occasions. As it might temper some of the comments evoked!

 

[prv]

Seems to me that the issue isn't so much about MOBOs, but about common courtesey. If i walked past you in the street in a way that spilled your shopping, I would expect to apologise

If, however, you set up a picnic blanket at the side of the A34 and then started shouting and waving your walking-stick at the passing traffic for spoiling your peaceful lunch, most people would think you eccentric at best.

If a large motorboat went careering through a quiet backwater where Dylan was peacefully boiling tins and watching the birds, we'd all agree that that was inconsiderate. But the mouth of Southampton Water is not a quiet backwater, it's a busy roundabout, and you have to expect traffic.

Pete

 

[keelbolt]

If, however, you set up a picnic blanket at the side of the A34 and then started shouting and waving your walking-stick at the passing traffic for spoiling your peaceful lunch, most people would think you eccentric at best.

If a large motorboat went careering through a quiet backwater where Dylan was peacefully boiling tins and watching the birds, we'd all agree that that was inconsiderate. But the mouth of Southampton Water is not a quiet backwater, it's a busy roundabout, and you have to expect traffic.

Pete

So it's ok to be inconsiderate on a roundabout? I rest my case.

 

[Greenheart]

The wake threw the Centaur around a bit...but in exactly Dylan's situation, I'd feel a glow of satisfaction about having a ballast keel beneath me. He might have been in the punt.

I wonder if the same mobo would slow to pass my dinghy? I doubt it, and I'm not sure I'd want to be so condescended to...if I go to sea, I'll expect nature to provide much worse.

That sounds as if I'd be ungrateful for courtesy, which I certainly wouldn't...but I wouldn't expect it either, because I could easily have gone sailing on a pond.

Unfortunately it does make me dislike motorboats though - or rather, their owners, for having thought hard about it before choosing something so artless and indelicate.

Can't wait to get out there and be terrified again...

 

[Resolution]

As usual, Pete (prv) has summed up the situation very neatly.

 

[jac]

So it's ok to be inconsiderate on a roundabout? I rest my case.

In that case who is being considerate. The motorist driving up the A34 in accordance with the Highway Code or the person on the roundabout expecting everyone else to respect their right to peace and quiet on the roundabout.

 

[prv]

So it's ok to be inconsiderate on a roundabout? I rest my case.

No, but it is ok to drive a van round it, even though it would certainly disturb a picnic being held on the verge.

Pete

 

[fisherman]

Did anyone notice the 'Ran Dan' rowing boat at 0.32? Pair of oars, pair of paddles, very popular in local racing before the gigs took over. Not strictly correct as the pair of paddles is wielded by two rowers.

 

[JumbleDuck]

on a sunny bank holiday Sunday this happens

https://vimeo.com/121285484

Although I can watch other Vimeo videos fine, that one goes to "pause" every five seconds or so. Is that a deliberate feature?

 

[dylanwinter]

Although I can watch other Vimeo videos fine, that one goes to "pause" every five seconds or so. Is that a deliberate feature?

Very curious indeed. It sounds like a temporary bandwidth problem.

Occasionally I get MOBs complaining that my DVD has "broken" their DVD player/laptop/computer. I am always polite and ask them to try it in another machine and ask them to tell me the symptoms. One bloke in Washington State was insistent that my website had broken the internet and told me that it took his son two hours to get the internet working again - he promised never to watch another KTL film again.

The ones who do not chip in are always the ones who complain loudest.

The Vimeo film is exactly the same as the others as far as I know

here is the youtube version - along with an improper message on the end






if you are at all curious about the KTL finances then I have made a page up

http://www.keepturningleft.co.uk/centaur-category/mob-tappers/

that includes the number of hits and the paypal taps

currently running at between 1 per cent and 0.35 per cent - better taps from vimeo watchers rather than youtubists

The value of each varies immensely - $1 or £1 is common - on the other hand one Canadian bloke (who has been in hospital dreaming of sailing) chipped in $150. I think he was celebrating being released from hospital

I emailed him and asked if he had made a mistake and he sent me an email back which got the old lachrymal glands going for some reason.

On the other hand I have recently had some rather angry emails from Christians and Moboists for some reason. Not sure if any of them were Christian Moboists.

 

[JumbleDuck]

Very curious indeed. It sounds like a temporary bandwidth problem..

I don't think so ... the buffering bar along the bottom shows that it has downloaded well in advance of where I'm watching and when I click on the play arrow it resumes again instantly. Latest Chrome under Linux. Most peculiar.