The Hamble in Spate

[prv]

I don't think so ... the buffering bar along the bottom shows that it has downloaded well in advance of where I'm watching and when I click on the play arrow it resumes again instantly. Latest Chrome under Linux. Most peculiar.

I've been having problems with video (both Youtube, Vimeo, and others) in Chrome on RedHat for a little while now. It's the work machine where I probably shouldn't be watching videos anyway, so I haven't really looked into it . I bring up firefox when necessary, and Safari at home is perfectly fine.

Pete

 

[dylanwinter]

I don't think so ... the buffering bar along the bottom shows that it has downloaded well in advance of where I'm watching and when I click on the play arrow it resumes again instantly. Latest Chrome under Linux. Most peculiar.

Dear Customer,

this is Hadrid Donleavy from the KTL customer services department. I should like to apologise on behalf of all of us here at KTL megacorp. We take our reputation seriously and I have been over to the technical department and they have promised that they will work around the clock until it is fixed.

We test all the films through every known combination of operating system and browser before posting them on the interweb for freemans.

Jonty MCBride is/was our Linux specialist and it should have been his job to test our free films on your particular platform. You will be pleased to know that he has been handed the black bin bag and escorted from the building.

His wife is in tears - fortunately his children are too young to understand what is happening to them.

would you accept a massive paypal offering to help you overcome your trauma.

We at KTL Inc accept full responsibility for everything everywhere

Yours

HD

 

[Greenheart]

...one Canadian bloke (who has been in hospital dreaming of sailing) chipped in $150...he sent me an email which got the old lachrymal glands going for some reason.

That is deeply touching. But I hope you find it rewarding too - because nobody would send anything, least of all cash or poignant appreciative emails, unless your films have had a really positive effect. Nothing could be more frustrating to the adventurous, than hospitalisation, so you must have really lifted his mood. :encouragement:

By the way, I had trouble making the film run, too. No problem with buffering, it just stopped dead after eleven seconds and didn't re-start. I copied the link and tried it on Internet Explorer (rather than Chrome) and it stopped after only eight seconds. Eventually I moved the film on a couple of minutes and it ran smoothly. Nice pics.

 

[Garold]

Windermere has been transformed by a speed limit - but that would leave a bit of a problem for the seacats and hovercraft.

D

For those of us that used to ski on the lakes in the Lake District it certainly transformed it.

 

[Seajet]

For those of us very nearly killed in a sailing dinghy by a clueless speedboat towing a skier I'm lucky to be around to say the ban was the best thing to ever happen there.

 

[bitbaltic]

I don't have any issues with Mobos in open waters, but that's an observation not an opinion, because the waters off Cardiff are very open and usually rough, so there are very few of them there.

In fact the only Mobos I have a problem with are the three I shared a lock out of Cardiff with last season, the one on the port side who didn't move up to the front meaning I only just got in behind hm with no room for other boats, his mate on the starboard side who was so busy shouting at his wife to tie up at the bow that he had no idea his stern had slid across the entire lock and hit his mate's boat, and their other mate who entered the lock with a splendidly massive vessel and then hailed me suggesting I would prefer to raft up between his two other pals so he could try and get in, until barrage control very pointedly told him that there would be none of that and he should reverse out and go to another lock.

That they were then wondering what to do if they sent out of the lock and grounded on the mudbanks around the Wrach, to which their considered solution was to 'let the yacht go first and if he gets stuck we will go around him', did not improve the initial impression.

Of course I have seen yachts do these things in the locks too (sometimes the same yacht more than once), so the issue is of course not the power behind the vessel but the seamanship behind the skipper.

Derive a general principle however? Rash, Most definitely rash. Hum.

 

[JumbleDuck]

Of course I have seen yachts do these things in the locks too (sometimes the same yacht more than once), so the issue is of course not the power behind the vessel but the seamanship behind the skipper.

Derive a general principle however? Rash, Most definitely rash. Hum.

Let's face it ... if you fancy going afloat and having a good time, and have no previous experience, which is the obvious thing to choose - a sailing boat, cover with ropes and booms and masts and sails and maybe even a tiller, or a motorboat with a steering wheel just like the one on your car and a throttle? And patio doors.

 

[bitbaltic]

Let's face it ... if you fancy going afloat and having a good time, and have no previous experience, which is the obvious thing to choose - a sailing boat, cover with ropes and booms and masts and sails and maybe even a tiller, or a motorboat with a steering wheel just like the one on your car and a throttle? And patio doors.

People would buy a motorboat because navigating it looks superficially similar to driving a car? Surely not.

Although it reminds me of the couple I did my VHF course with a couple of years ago, whose confidence in navigating their new motorboat seemed founded in its possession of 'a steering wheel and a sat Nav'.

Still I have to assume these are unrepresentative samples. I would not derive a general principle that such people account for even a minority, let alone a significant minority, of motorboat skippers, and certainly not in other, more populous, sailing grounds like the Hamble. Absolutely, absolutely not.

 

[Garold]

For those of us very nearly killed in a sailing dinghy by a clueless speedboat towing a skier I'm lucky to be around to say the ban was the best thing to ever happen there.

I know what you mean. And it has been going on since the sixties. Right up to the present day.

I've observed over many years that dinghy sailors everywhere dart around in confined and busy waters, without taking any responsibility for their actions or the safety of any other waterborne craft, and certainly no appreciation of their own speed. They dart in and out of other traffic, tacking at will with no warnings to other users, even causing ferries to stop abruptly in some harbours.

But I'm sure that this isn't like you Seajet.

And the water ski boat that cut you up wasn't me.

Garold

 

[bitbaltic]

Now it's strange that water skiers should be mentioned here, because I have only once been concerned about the behavior of a water skier off Cardiff, and that is based on the only water skier I have ever seen there, which is an unrepresentative sample of one. I am no expert on water skiing and could only assume that a chap skiing up and down the Wrach channel, which is the approach to both Cardiff Bay and ABP Cardiff, was doing exactly what a water skier should do, on a falling tide. He spent a great deal of time floating about in the water in the middle of the channel, which I and another boat approaching from seaward became needlessly concerned about, as long before we were meaningfully constrained in the channel he skied off towards the entrance to ABP, which I regard as a fine example of seamanship allowing us passage to the barrage locks. I certainly can't agree with any comments suggesting a lack of positional awareness on the part if water skiers.

 

[aquaplane]

Windermere has been transformed by a speed limit D

It has indeed.

Lots of the Mobos are still there.

The ski boats spending money on BnB and in restaurants because they can't cook have mainly stopped coming.

Two chandlers that I know of have shut up shop.

The remaining ski boats are now ballasted for wake boarding @ <10Kts so they have savage wash.

The boats formerly with the worst wash, the Misses, still ply the lake taking tourists on trips.

The bigger planing hulls now have to arse about at <10 knots, but not much less, making more wash than they would if planing.

There do seem to be more yachts about though. But the chandlers are gone when they need bits and bobs.

 

[aquaplane]

I came across the buffering thing tonight too with Vimeo, Windows 8 and Chrome. Please don't sack anyone else, I'm only posting this for info.

Please keep using Vimeo, I can't watch utube at work but vimeo gets past the blocker.

 

[Seajet]

I know what you mean. And it has been going on since the sixties. Right up to the present day.

I've observed over many years that dinghy sailors everywhere dart around in confined and busy waters, without taking any responsibility for their actions or the safety of any other waterborne craft, and certainly no appreciation of their own speed. They dart in and out of other traffic, tacking at will with no warnings to other users, even causing ferries to stop abruptly in some harbours.

But I'm sure that this isn't like you Seajet.

And the water ski boat that cut you up wasn't me.

Garold

Garold,

hopefully not you, but if you can't see the enormous value to mankind of a peaceful lake I despair.

Incidentally even at that age - 10 - I had been on sailing school courses and knew how to sail and behave properly, I sailed my Mum from Low Wray to Ambleside every morning to do her shopping and never ' darted in front ' of anything, but thanks for the compliment, I will now wear a badge ' As schoolboy aged 10 with 10' gunter rigged dinghy outmanouvered and outflanked planing speedboats causing them great consternation '.

I was very nearly beheaded when a speedboat cretin came inside the rock offlying Low Wray with a skier out to one side, with the wire about to sweep above my boat at gunwhale height; fortunately the skier saw what was happening and let go, crashing onto the rock.

A day or two either side of that, a young girl was brought ashore at Low Wray with a really serious leg wound caused by incompetent prats with speedboats and propellors, I don't even know if she survived.

That was the 1970's and mobo owners have much more skill, consideration and brains around here on the south coast, but from what I gather the brainless ' it's just like a car on water ' brigade are itching to go on Windermere, and sod anyone else, the environment, noise, consideration or common sense, those words are not in the dinosaur speedboat type's vocabulary.

 

[KINGFISHER 9]

After a lifetime of sailing and owning more sailing boats than I can remember I've had to give it up in deference to creeping arthritis ... bought myself a motor boat which still gets me out there, is great fun and gives me weekends away. Does buying a motor boat make me a 'bad person'? Am I suddenly a maritime hooligan? According to DW, it probably does, along with every other motor boat owner!

 

[Seajet]

Kingfisher 2,

I can't speak for Dylan, but if your mobo is covered in Halfords stripes and shaped like an artillery shell then you may well be a hooligan, and that's the polite version.

If she's actually shaped like a boat, as in Nelsons and smaller versions, vintage Fairey's etc you will probably still be able to see your reflection in the mirror.

 

[Greenheart]

I reckon there isn't any good and bad about the boat, or even the person driving it - but anyone whose presence generates a surging steep wake and doesn't take a moment's trouble to avoid it causing discomfort or inconvenience to people close by, shows definite insensitivity.

But those of us who choose to sail where speed limits don't restrict wakes, can't really complain.

 

[Seajet]

Genuine question;

in mobo training are budding skippers taught to look over their shoulder to check what wake/wash they are leaving, and the effect on local boats & property ?

When doing low level air to ground photography I was often asked by the pilot to confirm the cattle etc weren't bothered, as farmers will claim compensation for the sun being in the sky if they think there's a chance of some money going their way !

 

[dylanwinter]

After a lifetime of sailing and owning more sailing boats than I can remember I've had to give it up in deference to creeping arthritis ... bought myself a motor boat which still gets me out there, is great fun and gives me weekends away. Does buying a motor boat make me a 'bad person'? Am I suddenly a maritime hooligan? According to DW, it probably does, along with every other motor boat owner!

boy, you guys..... there you go again..... imagining what I think and then attacking me for an opinion you have dreamt up out of thin air

Of course, I have bad knees just like you and might one day have to buy a mobo.

However, I can promise you that no matter how rich I am it will not be a planing mobo

the raw inneficiency of such a vessel would drive me bonkers

and I like to be able to hear the places I am going through

Maybe a Hardy or a Swin Ranger - I could turn the engine off and drift up the Colne with the tide listening to the birds.

So gents, by all means attack me for opinions I have expressed - but for goodness sake spare me being the recipient of your imaginations.

First of all I would like to pose a simple question?

Is one wash exactly the same as another?

this is a serious question and one I think you should answer just so we can agree on something,

is a wash from a topper at four knots the same as a jetski at four knots?

Is the wash from a rib at 6 knots the same as yacht at six knots

Is the wash from a tanker going at 15 the same as a wash from a big twin engine planing mobo going at the same speed - or even on the plane

Commercial vessels are designed for fuel efficiency - the less wash they make the better - hence the move to wave piercing cats used to support the oil rigs. Speed and efficiency.

Rescue and military vessls asside - the other commonly encountered big planing mobo are the pilot boats. They are also very inneficient - but they are build for speed and safety over fuel efficiency.

- I assume that if you moved the speed limit downstream a bit it would make a much bigger area available for slow moving small boats to use - and you can see they are holding races through the moorings. Those little one man yachts I filmed racing in the Hamble among the moorings.

It would open out the area to far more small boats if the limit was moved.

Dylan

PS. Please, I beg of you, do not throw the planing dinghy thing into the hat on this one. The wash from a Moth at 20 knots is very different from the wash from a 50 foot twin engine, twin screw motor Yacht at the same speed. The risk the man in the moth poses to other water users is also less than the man in the 50 foot planing mobo.

During these threads I gave been called a **** and told to bugger off

that can't be nice surely

I shall do what I did to the bloke who came so close to us at the end of an otherwise excellent film

I gave him a stiff tutting he completely failed to hear

 

[Seajet]

Dylan,

maybe I've skipped over it but I haven't seen anyone putting words in your mouth.

Yes washes do vary, I find big ships in the Solent create a sometimes quite big but always very smooth and predictable wave, like a swell.

The ones to watch out for are the Seacat high speed but still displacement ferries, they create a tall, square faced wash which can give any boat a really serious pasting.

I find the noise and prattish inconsiderate attitude of Jetski operators more annoying than their wash, but that might be different if I was in a dinghy with children aboard...

 

[Garold]

Garold,

hopefully not you, but if you can't see the enormous value to mankind of a peaceful lake I despair.

Incidentally even at that age - 10 - I had been on sailing school courses and knew how to sail and behave properly, I sailed my Mum from Low Wray to Ambleside every morning to do her shopping and never ' darted in front ' of anything, but thanks for the compliment, I will now wear a badge ' As schoolboy aged 10 with 10' gunter rigged dinghy outmanouvered and outflanked planing speedboats causing them great consternation '.

I was very nearly beheaded when a speedboat cretin came inside the rock offlying Low Wray with a skier out to one side, with the wire about to sweep above my boat at gunwhale height; fortunately the skier saw what was happening and let go, crashing onto the rock.

A day or two either side of that, a young girl was brought ashore at Low Wray with a really serious leg wound caused by incompetent prats with speedboats and propellors, I don't even know if she survived.

That was the 1970's and mobo owners have much more skill, consideration and brains around here on the south coast, but from what I gather the brainless ' it's just like a car on water ' brigade are itching to go on Windermere, and sod anyone else, the environment, noise, consideration or common sense, those words are not in the dinosaur speedboat type's vocabulary.

I think that you may have to despair.

However, I do see the benefit to you, if that's your preference. Though I'm a bit unclear about where the righteousness of your personal preference originates.

Garold