The Hamble in Spate

And it's very rare that Oppies and canoeists go out of the river. When they do they are effectively at sea and should be able to cope with some wash which is rarely larger than the waves (unless it's flat calm.)

Yes there are knobs who drive motor boats - but equally there are knobs who sail sailing boats or rowing boats but to have a blanket attitude that seems to say person in modern mobo is an overpaid chav is a little unfair. To then go and say if they then open the throttles at sea that they become a selfish oik just because you want to sit and draft in a flat calm and not be disturbed is perhaps ignoring their position.
 
jac said:
And it's very rare that Oppies and canoeists go out of the river. When they do they are effectively at sea and should be able to cope with some wash which is rarely larger than the waves (unless it's flat calm.)

Yes there are knobs who drive motor boats - but equally there are knobs who sail sailing boats or rowing boats but to have a blanket attitude that seems to say person in modern mobo is an overpaid chav is a little unfair. To then go and say if they then open the throttles at sea that they become a selfish oik just because you want to sit and draft in a flat calm and not be disturbed is perhaps ignoring their position.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gf94tfiF2jU
 
nicho said:
Missing you already! That's one less for Dylan to moan about!
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does snooks drive a 50 foot planing Mobo - who would have thought it

Some interesting points appearing in this thread.

I have seen a fair amount of this country from the cockpit of my boats.

The solent is an amazing place.

50,000 boaters I am told.

As has been pointed out, you do not see oppies and canoes in this stretch of water because of the washes

Of course it is not just big planing two story mobos that make washes - there is lots of commercial traffic

However, I would humbly suggest that the washes from the 35 foot and above heavy twin engined planing mobos are different from those of the commercial traffic. In my experience, such as it is, is that the washes from the seacats et al is much longer. It is less steep if you like

I have been a dinghy sailor all my life and currently sail a duck punt - and goodness there are a lot of people wanting toi use that water.

Water space in the solent is clearly at a premium.

What I am saying is that although what these guys are doing is completely legal it seems to me that the pleasures of a tiny minority to bomb around in massive - rather than modest sized boats , are compromising those of other water users who have a much smaller impact on the wave patterns.

That is a fine stretch of water from the speed limit to the mouth of southampton water

http://www.cowes.co.uk/cms/CMS/content/S635090526078670067/Solent speed limits-1.pdf

However, it is effectively out of bounds to the users of small paddled and sailed craft - such as those rowing, sailing oppies or using canoes. They stay in the speed limit areas because they will not get exposed to large steep legally made washes.

I know there are sailing clubs along that stretch - so sailing does go on in small boats

The 6 mile limit, in my opinion should be moved downstream a bit.

To the chap who pointed out that I was not even sailing - if you look at the films I sail in much lighter winds than we were experiencing that day - Normally even a heavy Centaur will ghost along at two knots in a force 1. The steep ugly washes from the big mobos were stopping me, and I assume other sailors from sailing.

The problem is that ribs, ski boats and much lighter planing craft do not create nearly as much disturbance to the water. I am amazed at how many people are prepared to leap to defend the rights of a tiny few against the interests of so many other water users

As I said, Windermere was becoming a race track - no-one else but the speed boats could use it

and what I saw along that stretch of water was it being abused by a few to the detriment of the many

I sincerely apologise for anyone who is insulted by my films


I am an East Coast sailor so how the Solent governs itself is really nothing to do with me.

We have the Romford Navy - but your Solent Twin diesel boys make them look like PWCs.

d
 
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nicho said:
You weren't even sailing for goodness sake, so why not keep out of the "fast lane". Not much upset on your boat, a bit of rock and roll, but don't try to say it took you by surprise. You are becoming very boring with your inadequate attempts to prove your point.
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Have to agree with that.

And Dylan - the comment that you don't see Oppies and Canoes on the Solent because of the wash is hard to justify. I suspect it's more to do with it not being sheltered for such small boats, it being very busy, even with commercial traffic and yachts so parents are probably unwilling to let young learners in oppies out. For Canoeists of course - I would expect the upper reaches of rivers to be more interesting where there is more to see.

As for the comment that MOBOs speed should be restricted, it does sound like the extremist sailors equivalent of what SHT were pushing in Studland. i.e. you can't use this water because your use of it compromises my use of it.

The MOBOs in your clip were doing nothing wrong IMO. Yes it's frustrating when you roll in a wash but it seems odd to distinguish between the wash of larger MOBOs ( bad) and small MOBOs / commercial ships (good.)

They have as much right to the water as anyone else, just because a small boat owner doesn't like the steeper waves doesn't mean one set of rights trump the others. In a decent sailing breeze, the waves would be much bigger ( and in the Solent, steeper as well) so really can't see why the Big Mobo wash is such an issue? Not meaning to be personal but it does come across as a bit hippyish, class warrior. - No offence intended.
 
jac said:
it seems odd to distinguish between the wash of larger MOBOs ( bad) and small MOBOs / commercial ships



They have as much right to the water as anyone else, just because a small boat owner doesn't like the steeper waves doesn't mean one set of rights trump the others. .
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Interesting points... two in particular.

Are you seriously suggesting that there is no difference between the wash from a rib, a seacat and a big planing mobo?

The second is one about the rights of the individual against the rights of the many.

On that basis then surely the logic would be to remove the speed limit from the Hamble because to impose such a thing is compromising the rights of the individual.

I think that more people would be able to enjoy that stretch of water if the speed limit were to be extended downstream

that does not seem like a particularly radical idea when the rest of the water is speed restricted.

this is a crowded place.

Bless you for imagining my views solent seahorses,

I do apologise for any opinions you might imagine for me in the future
 
dylanwinter said:
Interesting points... two in particular.

Are you seriously suggesting that there is no difference between the wash from a rib, a seacat and a big planing mobo?

The second is one about the rights of the individual against the rights of the many.

On that basis then surely the logic would be to remove the speed limit from the Hamble because to impose such a thing is compromising the rights of the individual.

I think that more people would be able to enjoy that stretch of water if the speed limit were to be extended downstream

that does not seem like a particularly radical idea when the rest of the water is speed restricted.

this is a crowded place.
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There is a difference of course - but between a 30 foot MOBO that is nearly on the plane and a red jet? - 33 foot? It came across as a big MOBO = bad

As for the speed limit, Interesting.

My view is that speed limit is needed as there is limited room for manoeuvre and it is very busy. restricting speed makes sense as it buys drivers of fast vessels time to think. Once into Soton water, it is less of an issue, there is more space so why restrict peoples rights. effectively the right of the individual to do what they please being trumped by the right of the many to carry on in safety on the river. Outside the river, the safety argument I think doesn't hold water.

and apology accepted ;)
 
jac said:
There is a difference of course - but between a 30 foot MOBO that is nearly on the plane and a red jet? - 33 foot? It came across as a big MOBO = bad

As for the speed limit, Interesting.

My view is that speed limit is needed as there is limited room for manoeuvre and it is very busy. restricting speed makes sense as it buys drivers of fast vessels time to think. Once into Soton water, it is less of an issue, there is more space so why restrict peoples rights. effectively the right of the individual to do what they please being trumped by the right of the many to carry on in safety on the river. Outside the river, the safety argument I think doesn't hold water.

and apology accepted ;)
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you appear to be suggesting in the above that the speed limit in the Hamble is there as an aide to avoid collisions and has nothing to do with washes

I bow to your superior understanding of washes and their impact on boats on pontoons.

as I said, by restricting the recreational rights of a few owners of massive planing vessels that make large steep washes you will be improving the recreational lives of many more people.

All I am saying is what I thought of the place and how a simple thing might massively improve it for the vast majority of water users.

To use such a lovely slice of estuary as a race track for high powered planing mobos is a bit of a shame

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I've said it before and will say it again, I suspect Dylans online business would actually have been a success if he could just keep his opinions on Mobos (we like to spend money on boaty stuff) to himself. Shame as they actually seem to be an excuse to moan, a bit likes cyclists who go out of their way to be cut up so they can shout out number plates and put it on YouTube.
 
dylanwinter said:
you appear to be suggesting in the above that the speed limit in the Hamble is there as an aide to avoid collisions and has nothing to do with washes

I bow to your superior understanding of washes and their impact on boats on pontoons.

as I said, by restricting the recreational rights of a few owners of massive planing vessels that make large steep washes you will be improving the recreational lives of many more people.

All I am saying is what I thought of the place and how a simple thing might massively improve it for the vast majority of water users.

To use such a lovely slice of estuary as a race track for high powered planing mobos is a bit of a shame

D
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There is a safety element to wash and boats on pontoons of course, both to occupants of said boats and to the boats themselves but you're talking about extending the restriction to an area where there are no pontoons so it is somewhat academic.

As to restricting the rights of MOBOs - why should it be ok to restrict their rights to benefit other users? Why not restrict other users rights?

I could turn your argument around to say

All I am saying is what I thought of the place and how a simple thing might massively improve it for the vast majority of water users.

To have such a lovely slice of estuary denied to MOBOs because some people want to dawdle about on flat water in a busy bit of sea is a bit of a shame.

whatever happened to live and let live?
 
ricky_s said:
I've said it before and will say it again, I suspect Dylans online business would actually have been a success if he could just keep his opinions on Mobos (we like to spend money on boaty stuff) to himself. Shame as they actually seem to be an excuse to moan, a bit likes cyclists who go out of their way to be cut up so they can shout out number plates and put it on YouTube.
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aha the old private eye put down

I do apologise

the films have almost nothing of interest to the mobo man

seriously... they don't

sorry about that

how about this guy

this is a great video series



Dylan
 
dylanwinter said:
I think it is now well established that Solent sailors suffer intense feelings of loneliness when they leave the Solent and have a tendency to self medicate to ease their sufferings.

It is actually a fascinating place to sail - and if you know where to hide you can miss the worst of the crowds.

And they are great tappers.
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just watched, and really enjoyed, that on my Aye-pad and couldn't see the PayPal button? Maybe it disnae show up on Scottish Aye Pads?
 
Hi Dylan,
I thought this latest film was quite frankly superb. the music was fitting and to see the many different crafts heading out said it all, however by far the best bit was left till the end. Ive chuckled all day at the sound of pots and pans being thrown about from the wash from the MOBOs. Great work.

Steveeasy
 
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