Steel boat as a long-term liveaboard (in a warm(er) climate).
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Brent Swain
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There is a great article by Tom Cunliffe in the January - 2018 issue of Sail Magazine about choosing an offshore cruising boats.
He points out many of the design pitfalls I have been pointing out for years.
Of course, some here will interpret it as:
"Tom is saying that everyone should sell everything they have, and go cruising in the boat of his choice!"
No, that is not what the article is saying!
There are several very good articles in that magazine, a huge improvement from their normally bland contents.
Another is about the difference between planing and theory, and actually experiencing cruising ,"titled " Be prepared."
Another is about a boat which sank due to a small hole just below the waterline. Would it have sunk had it been steel? Probably not.
He points out many of the design pitfalls I have been pointing out for years.
Of course, some here will interpret it as:
"Tom is saying that everyone should sell everything they have, and go cruising in the boat of his choice!"
No, that is not what the article is saying!
There are several very good articles in that magazine, a huge improvement from their normally bland contents.
Another is about the difference between planing and theory, and actually experiencing cruising ,"titled " Be prepared."
Another is about a boat which sank due to a small hole just below the waterline. Would it have sunk had it been steel? Probably not.
rotrax
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I am not trying to be confontational Brent, but can you explain how a steel boat with a hole below the waterline wont sink when a non steel boat will?
If, of course, the answer is that the steel boat would not have got such a hole due to its construction, you must be clearer in your statements.
Tom Cunliff is a great writer and sailor. What he says is well worth taking serious account of.
I often re-read his " Heavy Weather Cruising "
Some of his tips are very benificial.
solent clown
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"...in the absence of spinach, to avoid iron deficiency at sea, simply lick the hull three times for your daily recommended allowance"
"...should the artist at sea run out of ochre, simply flob on the hull and mix with your finger. An egg white will provide a better result"
"iron, like a lion in Zion"
"if a stevedor cries it is only because his wooden hull is gone, and GRP hasn't been invented yet"
All quotes from the Onedin line. What more do we all need to know
We all have to laugh some time.
"...should the artist at sea run out of ochre, simply flob on the hull and mix with your finger. An egg white will provide a better result"
"iron, like a lion in Zion"
"if a stevedor cries it is only because his wooden hull is gone, and GRP hasn't been invented yet"
All quotes from the Onedin line. What more do we all need to know
We all have to laugh some time.
rogerthebodger
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Are but steel are killer aller magnets. Just check the magnetic compass on a steel boat.
Not too good when close to magnetic mines either
Brent Swain
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john_morris_uk
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Brent, you do know that advertising of ‘your boats’ and ‘your designs’ etc isn’t permitted on these forums. If you want to advertise, the owners expect you to pay....
A certain amount of leeway is provided but you are sailing close to the wind. IMHO
A certain amount of leeway is provided but you are sailing close to the wind. IMHO
gertha
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Any of us who have taken a remote interest in the Swain design ethos , also have a loose idea of Boat design.
There is no chance Brent sails close to the wind.
There is no chance Brent sails close to the wind.
solent clown
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One must always appreciate an intelligently crafted and concise reposte. Top hole sir.
john_morris_uk
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Twas very witty...
Brent Swain
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I have a steering compass in front of my steering seat, which I can check against the GPS any time. Surrounded by steel is far better than steel on one side of it. Ditto my autopilot, in the same location, no problems with its magnetic compass. It doesn't lock in, and only has to show a change in course, which it does just fine.
Brent Swain
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Far closer to the wind than the new Hunters one of my clients used to charter.
Brent Swain
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Being retired , I have no interest in advertising my boats, but I feel I do have the right to correct lies and disinformation, from those who have no experience in them ,or know nothing about them, in the interest of accuracy on this forum ,for the benefit of its readers.
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john_morris_uk
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In that case you won’t mind not making any more references to ‘my boats’ or ‘my clients’ etc from now on?
john_morris_uk
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The problem is that those of us who have sailed on steel boats, or worked as a commercial captain of a steel boat, or been employed on a steel boat know that your assertion about steel all round not affecting the compass is complete baloney. I only remind you of these things as you are fond of claiming that people who show your assertions to be dubious or wrong lack experience.
Furthermore, you claim to have been sailing for longer than GPS has been around, which means you ought to know something about the challenges of correcting a magnetic compass on a steel boat.
Brent Swain
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Seems Chat Blyth had no problem going to windward in British Steel, against the roaring 40s, around the world ,something attempts in plastic boats have failed at abysmally.
You say he did it at two knots? Your math, not mine!
What did he choose for subsequent trips along the same route, with paying passengers ?
Steel boats only!
You say he did it at two knots? Your math, not mine!
What did he choose for subsequent trips along the same route, with paying passengers ?
Steel boats only!
Brent Swain
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Sure the compass is out ,but still shows a change in course, which is all that is needed, with GPS to check it against. GPS lets you check its deviation any time, on any course, at any angle of heel.
Brent Swain
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Sure, as long as those attacking my posts don't make any direct references or insults to mine .I feel the need to correct lies, for the benefit of accuracy in the info here , for the benefit of readers of this site.
(Level playing field ,in the interest of accuracy ,anyone!)
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john_morris_uk
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So you haven’t been sailing as long as you claim you have....
Remind me how many Pacific Crossings you claim to have made since you started sailing and ‘retired’ in your twenties...
The reason I doubt your stories is that GPS hasn’t been around all that long. You’ll also know that GPS doesn’t show course steered.
SlowlyButSurely
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John - so how do you go about checking the magnetic compass on your own boat? I would have thought GPS/chartplotter is a very covenient way of doing it. It's certainly one of the ways we check ours. Saves an enormous amount of time towing SWMBO around in the dinghy!
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