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so how did you get on?
St Tropez update please Ian!
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ianainge
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not a bad day out, saw the boat and liked it afew issues i need to take up like the fake walnut dash has blistered and he,s painted it with black gloss , looks awful so i need to contact fairline to seeif you can still obtain replacements , a few cockpits cushions have split, cockpit fridge has seen better days, biggest concern is an message ive just recieved from pauljs-eng, asyou proberbly know he,s a marine enginner, i asked him what were common problems with kad42,s he writes: overheating,compressor problems,comp belt drive problems,too much stress generally for block/displacement, not really a very good engine in general terms ad41 200hp a lot more relible.So thats dampened my spirits a bit but gratful for his opinion, the boat has about 650 hours recorded i know thats not alot but compared to others ive seen its 200 hours more, thats 200 hours of more stress on engines. im waiting for piers to mail me a report on kads, in the meantime if anyone has any information or experiences on kad42 i like to hear from them.
tcm
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Re: hmm
Bet you don't neeed a real live fairline replacemnt for the dashboard: lots of little men will make one once the old one is off the grp. Think it's aluminium? Cheap diy option is to use matt black and/or silver, both of which are forgiving and both of which are miles better than gloss yuk paint. Beter of course new dash. Other option is (if it comes off nicely) to electroplate the thing, praps not shiny chrome, tho, hard chrom, think an option, or powder coat.
Cushion etc are not expensive to get remade, espec if you use landlubbery upholsterers but with stainless steel fittings/staples, unlike (sometimes) the mild steel stuff.
Engines. 650 hours is er sort-of 20,000 miles in car terms. Have you spoken to the owner? Think i'd be more worried with LESS hours - at least it's bin used? Did the invoices have loads of "bad news" invoices fixing thing that shdmn't have broke? Language a prob reading them tho sometimes. Praps talk to BA peters in the UK and look, are they awful. Tho this a prob with model, really? Not this partic boat...
Caling KAD42 owners - there must be quite few?
Anyway, never mind that - what about the LUNCH?
Bet you don't neeed a real live fairline replacemnt for the dashboard: lots of little men will make one once the old one is off the grp. Think it's aluminium? Cheap diy option is to use matt black and/or silver, both of which are forgiving and both of which are miles better than gloss yuk paint. Beter of course new dash. Other option is (if it comes off nicely) to electroplate the thing, praps not shiny chrome, tho, hard chrom, think an option, or powder coat.
Cushion etc are not expensive to get remade, espec if you use landlubbery upholsterers but with stainless steel fittings/staples, unlike (sometimes) the mild steel stuff.
Engines. 650 hours is er sort-of 20,000 miles in car terms. Have you spoken to the owner? Think i'd be more worried with LESS hours - at least it's bin used? Did the invoices have loads of "bad news" invoices fixing thing that shdmn't have broke? Language a prob reading them tho sometimes. Praps talk to BA peters in the UK and look, are they awful. Tho this a prob with model, really? Not this partic boat...
Caling KAD42 owners - there must be quite few?
Anyway, never mind that - what about the LUNCH?
ianainge
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Re: hmm
have every bill only bad problem 3 yrs ago small pipe which takes cooling water (cowhorn shape ) made of material which corroded, volvo since have produced non corrosive pipe which has been done ,both engines out job.as for lunch found your restuarant in old port but closed looks like it was shut for season.
have every bill only bad problem 3 yrs ago small pipe which takes cooling water (cowhorn shape ) made of material which corroded, volvo since have produced non corrosive pipe which has been done ,both engines out job.as for lunch found your restuarant in old port but closed looks like it was shut for season.
tcm
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Re: damn!
That's my fault for not checking Michelin! And explains why you didn't buy it - after the leopard visit we got wrecked in there and then hazily remeber signing something. So mebbe best it was shut. dang!
That's my fault for not checking Michelin! And explains why you didn't buy it - after the leopard visit we got wrecked in there and then hazily remeber signing something. So mebbe best it was shut. dang!
Piers
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Re: hmm
Have just had a long conversation with Ian on the phone, covering the KAD42s, since I've had them on my boat since 1995. Now done 750 hrs.
Piers du Pre
MBM Cruising Club enthusiast
www.dupre.co.uk
Have just had a long conversation with Ian on the phone, covering the KAD42s, since I've had them on my boat since 1995. Now done 750 hrs.
Piers du Pre
MBM Cruising Club enthusiast
www.dupre.co.uk
coliholic
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Re: hmm - And??? nm
result being?
result being?
Piers
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Re: hmm - And??? nm
Briefed on,
1 Original coolant expansion bottle being too small, now able to upgrade to a larger bottle, but that the MIN and MAX marks are for when the engine is hot, not cold (interesting) hence if filled when cold, overflow problems. Implications? If topped up when cold, overflow produces mess in the bilge! Recommended top up level is 'just visible' when cold.
Note the coolant capacity is some 20 ltrs. This, at operating temp, gives around 1.5 pints (apologies for the mixed measurements) expansion.
2 Coolant must be good blue or green. If not, will be rusty and have more scaling problems than usual. Implications? Early de-scaling.
3 Helmet / exhaust trumpet interface being disimilar metals (iron and aluminium) leading to corrosion, leaking, and failure - I know of one boat that sunk from this. Implications? Fit plastic sleeve, and check frequently. Proper checking can mean lifting the engine....Volvo now include this check as standard at engine servicing.
4 750 hours, rather than 1000 hours being a typical time at which de-scaling of heat exchanger / intercooler is required. Volvo recommend 1000, but 750 in practice.
5 High pitch squeal when the low rpm compressor engages. Until some 18 months ago when a belt idler wheel was brought out, the old one had too small a throw on the cam for belt tightening. Hence the squeal when the clutch engages on acce;eration and deceleration. Implications - new idler wheels and belts.
I think that was it...except to say that if the KAD42 is looked after, it will be a reliable, smooth and superb engine.
Piers du Pre
MBM Cruising Club enthusiast
www.dupre.co.uk
Briefed on,
1 Original coolant expansion bottle being too small, now able to upgrade to a larger bottle, but that the MIN and MAX marks are for when the engine is hot, not cold (interesting) hence if filled when cold, overflow problems. Implications? If topped up when cold, overflow produces mess in the bilge! Recommended top up level is 'just visible' when cold.
Note the coolant capacity is some 20 ltrs. This, at operating temp, gives around 1.5 pints (apologies for the mixed measurements) expansion.
2 Coolant must be good blue or green. If not, will be rusty and have more scaling problems than usual. Implications? Early de-scaling.
3 Helmet / exhaust trumpet interface being disimilar metals (iron and aluminium) leading to corrosion, leaking, and failure - I know of one boat that sunk from this. Implications? Fit plastic sleeve, and check frequently. Proper checking can mean lifting the engine....Volvo now include this check as standard at engine servicing.
4 750 hours, rather than 1000 hours being a typical time at which de-scaling of heat exchanger / intercooler is required. Volvo recommend 1000, but 750 in practice.
5 High pitch squeal when the low rpm compressor engages. Until some 18 months ago when a belt idler wheel was brought out, the old one had too small a throw on the cam for belt tightening. Hence the squeal when the clutch engages on acce;eration and deceleration. Implications - new idler wheels and belts.
I think that was it...except to say that if the KAD42 is looked after, it will be a reliable, smooth and superb engine.
Piers du Pre
MBM Cruising Club enthusiast
www.dupre.co.uk
tcm
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Re: sounds ok to me!
it's well known round here that Piers is very very exacting bout his engines. Frexamp[le problem number one is a bit of collant on the floor. Aargh. Good job he didn't have our blimming boat with always 6 buckets of water in the bilges.
Soo, I reckon he should buy it. Or find a restaurant that IS open (sorry again) get sloshed, then buy it.
Interestingly, tho, shows that with the nanky dashboard and busted cushions, not quite the total bargain that it seemed? But better than the stolen/recovered one, imho: praps f'line in uk hold value more than in foreign places esp France?
it's well known round here that Piers is very very exacting bout his engines. Frexamp[le problem number one is a bit of collant on the floor. Aargh. Good job he didn't have our blimming boat with always 6 buckets of water in the bilges.
Soo, I reckon he should buy it. Or find a restaurant that IS open (sorry again) get sloshed, then buy it.
Interestingly, tho, shows that with the nanky dashboard and busted cushions, not quite the total bargain that it seemed? But better than the stolen/recovered one, imho: praps f'line in uk hold value more than in foreign places esp France?
ianainge
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Re: sounds ok to me!
just found out that hours are more like 700 rather than 600 as first advised am a being to paranoid about this as others ive seen of similar year no all 31,s have about 450 hours, ?motor trade mentality i suppose being in that line of work.
just found out that hours are more like 700 rather than 600 as first advised am a being to paranoid about this as others ive seen of similar year no all 31,s have about 450 hours, ?motor trade mentality i suppose being in that line of work.
tcm
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Re: engine hours
I think so, a bit. I went sailing on sunsail boats and each of their boats seems to do 1,000 engine hours a year.
Now, of course, these aren't monster high-performance turbocharged diesels. But
1 ... it would be a pity indeed if 70 grand second hand boats becamse as lightly-used as 70grand second hand Ferraris, with (it seems) the main aim being to keep the car with milesage so far under 10,000 miles that one can sell the car to someons else who themselves will still be able to keep the mileage under 10,000 by also doing only 300-400 miles a year.
2...there's a lot of volvo aargh money pit ratbag badmouthing. Not having had one, I can't speak from 1st hand knowledge. But Piers, for example, is able to keep the enginerrom (it seems) in a near-perfect state, and commissions a rebuild because there was a slight possibility that the expansion of the overfilled coolant and cataclysmic spillage of perhaps even more than a pint of the dreaded blue er water in the bilge. A friend with a 43 Targa and volvos engines cleans the bilge with tissue paper. These seems very very high standards for a diesel engine, or any engine.
3 Thos who have had problems, it seems, haven't had zero probelms...followed by loads of problems at 500 hours, twice as many problems at 1000 hours and so on. They've had problems from Day 1. And not just volvos. It seems possible, indeed entirely likely, that you've found a "Good One", no? I mean, would you prefer one with 300 hours that has had lots of problems and rework, and therefore is (hopeful) "all fixed up"? 100-150 hours a year means that that boat has been used, not over-used (if there is such a thing) but at least not left hanging about for a season or so?
4 There nothing stopping you making an offer. Psychologically, if you called to make an offer and it had been sold, would you be relieved or cheesed off? Well, there you are then...
I think so, a bit. I went sailing on sunsail boats and each of their boats seems to do 1,000 engine hours a year.
Now, of course, these aren't monster high-performance turbocharged diesels. But
1 ... it would be a pity indeed if 70 grand second hand boats becamse as lightly-used as 70grand second hand Ferraris, with (it seems) the main aim being to keep the car with milesage so far under 10,000 miles that one can sell the car to someons else who themselves will still be able to keep the mileage under 10,000 by also doing only 300-400 miles a year.
2...there's a lot of volvo aargh money pit ratbag badmouthing. Not having had one, I can't speak from 1st hand knowledge. But Piers, for example, is able to keep the enginerrom (it seems) in a near-perfect state, and commissions a rebuild because there was a slight possibility that the expansion of the overfilled coolant and cataclysmic spillage of perhaps even more than a pint of the dreaded blue er water in the bilge. A friend with a 43 Targa and volvos engines cleans the bilge with tissue paper. These seems very very high standards for a diesel engine, or any engine.
3 Thos who have had problems, it seems, haven't had zero probelms...followed by loads of problems at 500 hours, twice as many problems at 1000 hours and so on. They've had problems from Day 1. And not just volvos. It seems possible, indeed entirely likely, that you've found a "Good One", no? I mean, would you prefer one with 300 hours that has had lots of problems and rework, and therefore is (hopeful) "all fixed up"? 100-150 hours a year means that that boat has been used, not over-used (if there is such a thing) but at least not left hanging about for a season or so?
4 There nothing stopping you making an offer. Psychologically, if you called to make an offer and it had been sold, would you be relieved or cheesed off? Well, there you are then...
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