Spot the boat is no more!

[longjohnsilver]

Quote from Richard Shead over in the lounge


Been off but will be establishing guide lines in morn which will mean no more spot the boat.

 

[Tradewinds]

Sharia law takes over YBW forums (see Lounge).

 

[Deleted User YDKXO]

Thanks to that **** sarabande who decided to appoint himself as the forum taste gestapo. Jeez what's the world coming to?

 

[longjohnsilver]

Thanks to that **** sarabande who decided to appoint himself as the forum taste gestapo. Jeez what's the world coming to?

No, that's not correct Mike, he actually stood up for the retention of STB, seems it's more to do with political correctness. Crazy.

 

[jrudge]

What am I missing. How can stb be political !!

 

[sarabande]

Thanks to that **** sarabande who decided to appoint himself as the forum taste gestapo. Jeez what's the world coming to?

You have not been party to offline discussion on equality, and your contribution to any debate re STB has been noticeable by its absence. My objection is to the motorboat industry being decades behind the car industry in exploiting the female form as advertising 'bait'. If you think STB is 'fun' then that is your decision and I am happy for you to hold it as a personal choice..

There IS a place for a genuine "Which Boat ?" photo series, and I hope that tomorrow will give the mods and picture editors a chance to reflect on how it can be presented in this "new" lounge.


My views on the commercial sexualisation of STB were and are my own. I object to your linking me to the word Gestapo and to your use of asterisks; that could be taken by someone with a thinner skin as being akin to some of past STB pics being insulting to women.

 

[Deleted User YDKXO]

You have not been party to offline discussion on equality, and your contribution to any debate re STB has been noticeable by its absence. My objection is to the motorboat industry being decades behind the car industry in exploiting the female form as advertising 'bait'. If you think STB is 'fun' then that is your decision and I am happy for you to hold it as a personal choice..

There was no debate. You came along here and tried to impose your warped sense of political correctness on the rest of us and then when you got short shrift, you went off and bleated to the moderators. You have no right to try to impose your taste on others. You know exactly where and when the STB thread appears so all you had to do was not come here if you didn't want your sensibilities offended

 

[kanajobe48]

it is a sad day when a bit of fun each week is no more because of a lone voice which in my opinion can not distinguish fun from sexisum. It's becuse of these prats that these days you can not say, do and even think without some idiot lone voice souding off about female form as adveritising bate, what complete and utter tosh!
As you have now ruined what was a bit of end of week fun I sugest you now go and speak to marks and Sparks, thier Christmas add shows and bit of leg from some attractive ladies, and whilst your at it have a word with Iceland , old peter Andre has not been chosen because he has a fetish for frozen chicken dippers, more beacuse he's the ladies eye candy,
Get a life.

 

[rbcoomer]

Personally I don't think the forums will exist at all in a few years. The content seems to be drying up and the deterioration of the lounge has been noticeable even in the (relatively short) time I've been reading. I stopped bothering with the lounge after the closure and subsequent absence of some of the more colourful characters. I may not have agreed with much some of them said, but wouldn't deny them the right to say it. In short it was entertaining. It only takes a few persistent antagonists to undermine the discussions, threads to get pulled and more topics get banned. The myth of free speech is just that and whilst I prefer to simply ignore racist or other discriminatory comment, others deem everything should be censored. To have content censored is insulting out intelligence to determine for ourselves what we should read. Some are apparently also unable to distinguish the difference between jest and malice, so the forums suddenly need to be sterile? The trouble with censoring is that it was always going to be the thin end of the wedge as the apparent demise of STB illustrates. The next step will be the pulling of comments about a particular marine brand or experience because it may be perceived as derogatory to that manufacturer, supplier or venue etc - at which point the forum loses all integrity. With the demise of MBM, I suspect the variety of content will reduce further as the entry level market gets abandoned and the forums will probably diminish accordingly.

With regard to the claim of STB be sexist, that's utter tosh - the leading proponents of using the female form to sell are without question women themselves! (Otherwise, selling products and services to women in order that they make themselves more 'saleable' wouldn't be a multi-billion pound industry!) Our very existence is based on a desire to attract a mate and yet sections of society seem to be doing their utmost to undermine that basic instinct. The human race will be well on the way to extinction should they succeed...

 

[sarabande]

There was no debate. You came along here and tried to impose your warped sense of political correctness on the rest of us and then when you got short shrift, you went off and bleated to the moderators. You have no right to try to impose your taste on others. You know exactly where and when the STB thread appears so all you had to do was not come here if you didn't want your sensibilities offended

Imposing taste is what it's about. The mag's photo editor's taste in using sexist pics in a 'competition' ; the industry's taste for exploiting the female body to attract the eye of rich middle aged men in a laboured, cynical, out-dated advertising; and your taste in trying to defend the indefensible.

I did not bleat to the mods; my comments were made in public.

STB is a damned fine idea and challenges and refines people's memory of boat design. It has a place here, but not with the contrived and heavily clichéd approach of the past.


And this argument has nothing to do with new lounge politics; it's about a good and fun idea which has prostituted itself through the use of cheap and exploitative advertising photos.

 

[Cashbuyer]

'And this argument has nothing to do with new lounge politics; it's about a good and fun idea which has prostituted itself through the use of cheap and exploitative advertising photos.[/QUOTE]

But that was the whole point and why all my female friends found it amusing, probably because they have a sense of humour...

 

[paultallett]

If STB needs to be cleaned up so be it.

But........

I guess there could always be a Spot The Cleat thread, now it would be a big shame if a female happened to be in the picture??

 

[oldgit]

If you want to make enemies, try to change something. Woodrow Wilson.

The world moves on.
There will always be those who are uncomfortable with change and feel the need to excoriate those who are brave enough to recommend it.
Well done saraband.

 

[Elessar]

You have not been party to offline discussion on equality, and your contribution to any debate re STB has been noticeable by its absence. My objection is to the motorboat industry being decades behind the car industry in exploiting the female form as advertising 'bait'. If you think STB is 'fun' then that is your decision and I am happy for you to hold it as a personal choice..

There IS a place for a genuine "Which Boat ?" photo series, and I hope that tomorrow will give the mods and picture editors a chance to reflect on how it can be presented in this "new" lounge.


My views on the commercial sexualisation of STB were and are my own. I object to your linking me to the word Gestapo and to your use of asterisks; that could be taken by someone with a thinner skin as being akin to some of past STB pics being insulting to women.

There are male and figures in STB, doing what people do on boats, lie in the sun and enjoy them. Completly different to the car industry. I have plenty of pics of people in bikinis and swim shorts enjoying my boat. We don't all have to wear oilskins you know. The joy of using the boat in the sun sells the dream of a boat to me.
As for being insulting, I really thought you were brighter than that.

 

[Deleted User YDKXO]

Imposing taste is what it's about.

I see, so you think your taste is more worthy and modern than ours and therefore should be imposed on the rest of us? And you think my use of the word 'gestapo' was unwarranted

 

[Nautical]

This one had me totally enraged and I still haven't got over the shock of it, I mean such wanton sexism, look at those people sitting on the hill just leering and drooling at that poor person forced to take their shirt off for nothing more than their self gratification, appalling .......



Sorry I had to show it but I am assuming it will be pulled anyway once the mods see it

 

[davo99]

I don't often post on here but have been around for a while. I abandoned the lounge long ago as threads were pulled because something had offended someone who went crying to teacher.

STB was a bit of fun. If you think deliberating the size and placement of a couple of cleats is an interesting, fun way to start the weekend you must lead a very stale life.

Sex sells, always has, always will until the puritan miserable minority get their own way and we all sit around in hair shirts.

 

[sarabande]

just as a bit of historical perspective, have a look at sexism in car advertising. It's a fairly recent (2011) page.

http://msmagazine.com/blog/2011/08/29/still-using-the-old-model-for-sexist-car-advertisements/

It contains a word which is new to me: "heteronormative".


A word that keeps coming up in this disagreement is "fun". I'd like to hear some definitions of, or synonyms for, "fun" when it's applied to looking at boats with a lightly clad woman on board. "Fun" implies something good and worthwhile, meritorious even, perhaps as a reward for hard work; it should not be used as an unthinking justification or excuse for posting adverts which rely on sexism to catch the eye of potential boat buyers.

If STB removed all pics of women from the series, and people stopped looking at the 'tradition', what would that say about the role and function of lightly clad women in the pictures ?


Oh yes, me 'puritan' - definitely not. Principled - I hope so.

 

[Nautical]

just as a bit of historical perspective, have a look at sexism in car advertising. It's a fairly recent (2011) page.

http://msmagazine.com/blog/2011/08/29/still-using-the-old-model-for-sexist-car-advertisements/

It contains a word which is new to me: "heteronormative".


A word that keeps coming up in this disagreement is "fun". I'd like to hear some definitions of, or synonyms for, "fun" when it's applied to looking at boats with a lightly clad woman on board. "Fun" implies something good and worthwhile, meritorious even, perhaps as a reward for hard work; it should not be used as an unthinking justification or excuse for posting adverts which rely on sexism to catch the eye of potential boat buyers.

If STB removed all pics of women from the series, and people stopped looking at the 'tradition', what would that say about the role and function of lightly clad women in the pictures ?


Oh yes, me 'puritan' - definitely not. Principled - I hope so.

Sarab, I thought your next post would be in support of mine below, that advert for a soft drink is clearly sexist and in very poor taste.

 

[Elessar]

just as a bit of historical perspective, have a look at sexism in car advertising. It's a fairly recent (2011) page.

http://msmagazine.com/blog/2011/08/29/still-using-the-old-model-for-sexist-car-advertisements/

It contains a word which is new to me: "heteronormative".


A word that keeps coming up in this disagreement is "fun". I'd like to hear some definitions of, or synonyms for, "fun" when it's applied to looking at boats with a lightly clad woman on board. "Fun" implies something good and worthwhile, meritorious even, perhaps as a reward for hard work; it should not be used as an unthinking justification or excuse for posting adverts which rely on sexism to catch the eye of potential boat buyers.

If STB removed all pics of women from the series, and people stopped looking at the 'tradition', what would that say about the role and function of lightly clad women in the pictures ?


Oh yes, me 'puritan' - definitely not. Principled - I hope so.

I forgot, you must only boat in oilskins eating fray bentos. As I said, the use the boat in the sun image sells a boat to me. You ingore the fact that there are male and female models in the pics too. It really is a very silly argument on your part.