skipperscouse
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any reccomendations ? does it affect insurance premium on a wooden boat ?would prefer wood burner. boat 42ft lod and 12ft beam.
thanks pete
thanks pete
solid fuel stoves
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Porthandbuoy
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I'd love one on Mariposa but am a bit feart as she's got a petrol engine. There is just no way of extinguishing a solid fule stove or heater in a hurry.
Or am I being over cautious?
Or am I being over cautious?
Searush
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Plenty of sea water outside if you need it - even if the tide is out, wet sand will seriously hamper its ability to burn.
I heat my house with a solid fuel stove. Even when burning strong and well fuelled, closing down an efficient stove will eliminate the air supply and reduce the fire to a gentle glow quite quickly. With heat exchanger vents and closeable doors there is little risk from open flames.
Now the downside! You and the boat will get covered in ashes every day when you clean them out, You need a large, dry & ventilated store area for wood/ coal as fuel. Any damp, insects or rot in the fuel will naturally try to transfer itself to the boat! Lighting it is an art requiring dry paper & kindling or firelighters and dry matches or other lighter. Inefficient burning or poor fuel will lead to smoke which will stain & damage topsides & sails.
So there you have it!
I heat my house with a solid fuel stove. Even when burning strong and well fuelled, closing down an efficient stove will eliminate the air supply and reduce the fire to a gentle glow quite quickly. With heat exchanger vents and closeable doors there is little risk from open flames.
Now the downside! You and the boat will get covered in ashes every day when you clean them out, You need a large, dry & ventilated store area for wood/ coal as fuel. Any damp, insects or rot in the fuel will naturally try to transfer itself to the boat! Lighting it is an art requiring dry paper & kindling or firelighters and dry matches or other lighter. Inefficient burning or poor fuel will lead to smoke which will stain & damage topsides & sails.
So there you have it!
Porthandbuoy
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Yeah, but apart from that are there any drawbacks?
Santana379
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Yeah, but apart from that are there any drawbacks?
[/ QUOTE ]There is only one other draw back I have experienced in three November weekends aboard Mirelle. That is the skipper getting up briefly at circa 03.00hrs to bank up the stove - quite a noisy procedure. Having said that, in an all male crew, at our age, someone always wakes everyone else up at that hour with a trip on deck anyway. On the plus side, that lovely dry warmth when the lazy crew crawls out of his sleeping bag in the morning is just wonderful.
Yeah, but apart from that are there any drawbacks?
[/ QUOTE ]There is only one other draw back I have experienced in three November weekends aboard Mirelle. That is the skipper getting up briefly at circa 03.00hrs to bank up the stove - quite a noisy procedure. Having said that, in an all male crew, at our age, someone always wakes everyone else up at that hour with a trip on deck anyway. On the plus side, that lovely dry warmth when the lazy crew crawls out of his sleeping bag in the morning is just wonderful.
fluffc
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If there is any way at all that you can fit a solid-fuel stove then you should do it. It will dry out the boat beautifully and makes winter sailing pleasurable.
Lighting them is really easy - a firelighter and some kindling does the trick. Get a scuttle for the ash, and that bit becomes easy.
The wood does need to be free from rot or some other way of preventing contact between it and your wooden boat.
Highly recommend getting hold of hardwood instead of softwood - the heat capacity (vs weight and volume) is higher, so you don't need to carry so much on board and don't have to stoke the stove so often. Having a friend working on a NT reserve helps a lot in getting hold of small seasoned hardwood logs
Lighting them is really easy - a firelighter and some kindling does the trick. Get a scuttle for the ash, and that bit becomes easy.
The wood does need to be free from rot or some other way of preventing contact between it and your wooden boat.
Highly recommend getting hold of hardwood instead of softwood - the heat capacity (vs weight and volume) is higher, so you don't need to carry so much on board and don't have to stoke the stove so often. Having a friend working on a NT reserve helps a lot in getting hold of small seasoned hardwood logs
Woodlouse
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No drawbacks. You won't even need a very big stove to turn the boat into an improvised sauna. A large plastic sack of fuel hidden under one of the bunks. Just make sure there's enough heat insulation around it to stop it burning anything in close proximity.
The Bristol Channel Pilot Cutters used to have a solid fuel stove up by the bits. There's no reason not to have one. Though to be honest a diesel stove or something along those lines would probably be more efficient.
The Bristol Channel Pilot Cutters used to have a solid fuel stove up by the bits. There's no reason not to have one. Though to be honest a diesel stove or something along those lines would probably be more efficient.
Porthandbuoy
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I would not have a solid fuel stove with a petrol engine, for the very reason you give. And I said so in my CB article on solid fuel stoves, so I'm consistent!
I would not have a solid fuel stove with a petrol engine, for the very reason you give. And I said so in my CB article on solid fuel stoves, so I'm consistent!
Porthandbuoy
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so I'm consistent!
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So am I. Feart!
I would like a solid fuel stove, but as my winter sailing is just "out and back" when the weathers fair I make do with a large thermos flask, a hat, and layer upon layer of clothing.
Of course I could re-engine Mariposa. Now there's a thought.
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so I'm consistent!
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So am I. Feart!
I would like a solid fuel stove, but as my winter sailing is just "out and back" when the weathers fair I make do with a large thermos flask, a hat, and layer upon layer of clothing.
Of course I could re-engine Mariposa. Now there's a thought.
Mirelle
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The trouble is that there is no direct replacement for a Stuart Four, that I know of.
The Yanmar 1GM10 is an excellent engine, but it is 8hp, which is more than plenty of horses for a two and a half tonner! On the positive side, if it will squeeze in, you can get lucky and pick up a secondhand 1GM10 quite cheaply - I once did) and they withstand an awful lot of abuse (I sank mine, and it was none the worse, apart from a new starter and rewound alternator...)
The Fatsco kicks out a lot of heat! A good stove for Mariposa might be the Pascall Atkey Pansy charcoal stove.
The trouble is that there is no direct replacement for a Stuart Four, that I know of.
The Yanmar 1GM10 is an excellent engine, but it is 8hp, which is more than plenty of horses for a two and a half tonner! On the positive side, if it will squeeze in, you can get lucky and pick up a secondhand 1GM10 quite cheaply - I once did) and they withstand an awful lot of abuse (I sank mine, and it was none the worse, apart from a new starter and rewound alternator...)
The Fatsco kicks out a lot of heat! A good stove for Mariposa might be the Pascall Atkey Pansy charcoal stove.
Porthandbuoy
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I see Pascal Atkey have their website up and running now. Here's a pic of the Pansy stove; a bit pricey IMHO.
Pansy
I see Pascal Atkey have their website up and running now. Here's a pic of the Pansy stove; a bit pricey IMHO.
Pansy
Mirelle
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Ye Gods!
Pascall Atkey, purveyors of chandlery to the late Claud Worth, have a website! /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
It's a bloody good, practical, safe little cabin stove. Certain other people make stoves that I hesitate to recommend (pm for a list!) /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
Pascall Atkey, purveyors of chandlery to the late Claud Worth, have a website! /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
It's a bloody good, practical, safe little cabin stove. Certain other people make stoves that I hesitate to recommend (pm for a list!) /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
bjames1955
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I have a 53ft harbour service launch and I have fitted a morso squirrel (am a hetas registered fitter) it has seen out the last 6 winters and is the best small stove about, after that comes a franco-belge belfor another good stove!
I have a 53ft harbour service launch and I have fitted a morso squirrel (am a hetas registered fitter) it has seen out the last 6 winters and is the best small stove about, after that comes a franco-belge belfor another good stove!
Mirelle
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Re: Ye Gods!
yep, brilliant stove for a 53 footer!
yep, brilliant stove for a 53 footer!
FWB
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Re: Ye Gods!
I have a Morso Squirrel in the dining room at home. It's very good.
I have a Morso Squirrel in the dining room at home. It's very good.
Seagreen
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So if I wished to consider a solid fuel stove to (dare I say) replace to enhance a taylors paraffin bulkhead stove, for a 36' boat, what would the panel recommend? Been thinking about this for a while.
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So if I wished to consider a solid fuel stove to (dare I say) replace to enhance a taylors paraffin bulkhead stove, for a 36' boat, what would the panel recommend? Been thinking about this for a while.
Mac /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Mirelle
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A friend, with a very elegant 36ft boat, has had a Colin Frake "Faversham" stove installed for some years now. She reports that it is an excellent stove, but just slightly on the small side for the boat. If you were thinking of keeping the Taylor's heater, then the Faversham would seem like a good candidate as it would provide safe "background warmth" and you could use the Taylor's for the odd hour or so to warm things up.
I cannot recommend the excellent Shipmate solid fuel heating stove that we have, because it has been out of production for some years.
However, there are some really excellent American solid fuel stoves, expensive but probably worth while, here:
Navigator Stove Works home page
These look just the right size.
A friend, with a very elegant 36ft boat, has had a Colin Frake "Faversham" stove installed for some years now. She reports that it is an excellent stove, but just slightly on the small side for the boat. If you were thinking of keeping the Taylor's heater, then the Faversham would seem like a good candidate as it would provide safe "background warmth" and you could use the Taylor's for the odd hour or so to warm things up.
I cannot recommend the excellent Shipmate solid fuel heating stove that we have, because it has been out of production for some years.
However, there are some really excellent American solid fuel stoves, expensive but probably worth while, here:
Navigator Stove Works home page
These look just the right size.
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So if I wished to consider a solid fuel stove to (dare I say) replace to enhance a taylors paraffin bulkhead stove, for a 36' boat, what would the panel recommend? Been thinking about this for a while.
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Hello Mac, have a squint at what this bloke makes, they are small and efficient, and best of all, not fancy yotty prices!
http://www.windysmithy.co.uk/html/woodburners.htm
His website is quite interesting too /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
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So if I wished to consider a solid fuel stove to (dare I say) replace to enhance a taylors paraffin bulkhead stove, for a 36' boat, what would the panel recommend? Been thinking about this for a while.
Mac /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
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Hello Mac, have a squint at what this bloke makes, they are small and efficient, and best of all, not fancy yotty prices!
http://www.windysmithy.co.uk/html/woodburners.htm
His website is quite interesting too /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
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so I'm consistent!
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So am I. Feart!
I would like a solid fuel stove, but as my winter sailing is just "out and back" when the weathers fair I make do with a large thermos flask, a hat, and layer upon layer of clothing.
Of course I could re-engine Mariposa. Now there's a thought.
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Or................sling out the engine and petrol tank, and use a pair of sweeps!??.............mind you, when you have been rowing for a while you probably wont need the stove, you should be glowing quite nicely /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
I could always find a home for the wee Stuart! /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
[ QUOTE ]
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so I'm consistent!
[/ QUOTE ]
So am I. Feart!
I would like a solid fuel stove, but as my winter sailing is just "out and back" when the weathers fair I make do with a large thermos flask, a hat, and layer upon layer of clothing.
Of course I could re-engine Mariposa. Now there's a thought.
[/ QUOTE ]
Or................sling out the engine and petrol tank, and use a pair of sweeps!??.............mind you, when you have been rowing for a while you probably wont need the stove, you should be glowing quite nicely /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
I could always find a home for the wee Stuart! /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
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