solid fuel stoves

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Some points if you choose a wood/charcoal heater the cabin will soon have covering of wood dust everywhere which when you wipe your hand accross a surface will be black. The smoke when you add wood is as harmful as smoking cigaretts!

If you choose a stove it MUST be top loading otherwise red hot embers WILL fall out at some time!Collecting wood may seem romantic from the walmth of your office in real life its a pain!

To row ashore collect then cut to size and store onboard umm. If you use a charcole heater that at least can be fed by a plastic bag of charcole each time just drop it in that way you wont becomes so sooty and black handed!

The most dangerouse of allis when the fires going has wood or charcoal and the wind pipes up outside this can either cause downdraft and smoke you into the cockpit in the freezing wet night air! or cause the fire burn like mad!!You will then see the metal change from red to white hot!! Untill the wood behind is scorching

I put water on mine last year when it did that and it blew hot coals over the cabin and left a dreadful mess

Diesel is the best safest and most controlable!!

Last year i experimented with all sorts of heaters and had the firebrigade along to "talk to me" The best heater most compact tot controlable and economic was a colemans single burner petrol cooker heating into a tube with a i inch chimney It was the least expensive easiest to make but condemed by this forum and in the end by the French firebrigade!!!!They worried about petrol vapor gathering in the bilge! Pity

The most expensive and disasterouse was a copper heater 10inch dia with a copper burner pot inside and 1 inch copper chimney that looked wonderful! Heated very quickly it cost me £40 to be made by a local plumbing shop i used a wick parafin heater when i had it in place lit the heater it was wonderful for about half an hour then the silver solder melted and it began to fall apart!!

Next i found a stainless pressure vessel at the scrap yard 6 inch dia heavy stainless to this i added a blakes drip feed the vessel had a screw thread which was ideal for the diesel to enter i added a push on top and chiminy cost £12! Another visit from the firebregade to see what their winter resident pyromaniac was up to and sell me a calander!!!

They declared my heater as safe but said that heavy stainless steel was bad for a heater as it dosent heat well???Dosent melt either!!!

Hope this helps
 
Re: Caution

I think you are overdramatising wood burning stoves just a tad.

I've had no problems with timber supply and storage. It's worth the effort to find someone who supplies hardwood, as this cuts down on the volume of fuel required.

Stoves can be damped right down, so the 'run away' problem you describe is nonsense. Unless it's made of steel plate and there is no fire clay inside the thing to insualte the outer wall.

Of course pouring water into a burning stove is going to spread stuff everywhere. You will have the same problem with charcoal. An AFFF extinguisher is best. CO2 will also scatter stuff.

Top loading is logical, as it also typically allows a place for a kettle to be placed.

I have both a diesel heater AND a solid fuel stove. The diesel heater is on a timer, and used to get the boat warm quickly in the morning or evening, until the stove is going.

The stove is an essential as it draws a large volume of air through, thus keeping the air in the boat fresh. Combined with the heat generated, the boat stays dry too. A diesel/paraffin/petrol heater I would imagine doesn't draw as nearly as much air.
 
Re: Caution

No exageration! Indeed i dident have a damper (in the chimney flue?? The eec has banned them!!)And no bricks nor anything just 2/3mm mild steel.

My wood/charcoal burner was DIY just a mild steel cylinder about 12 inches accross top loading with the chimney comeing off the top side and about 10cms or 2 1/2 inch it worked well but did make a lot of "dust" everywhere.

I drilled 5mm holes 4cms from the bottem and added holes untill it drew well.The problem came when the wind picked up and it just got hotter and hotter untill i was afraid it might melt!!

Later i tried my heaters on the key and was experimenting when the police came to suggest i moved becouse of muslims burning everything!!They then sent the fire brigade to look at my attempts to set fire to the key!!

I did have a chrcoal heater i forget the make but that was what i based my wood heater on that had a top loading as well and in Elba one spring i ran it on wood had to row ashore then found that a lot of drift wood wasent suitable and the rest had to be cut transported back and burnt quite quickly wouldent last the night!

Nights can be damp and chilly!! My tailors was a god send though the year before the diesel cost £180 was round the year i bought mine it became square and cost more than the double!tailors had been bought out!!!Still it worked very well.

The reason i wanted to make a heater at all haveing a tailors was and is becouse im space chalanged! I needed a micro heater the best was really my colemans petrol cooker on a ledge heating a stainless steel domestic chimney section with a SS cap and 1 inch flue (i copied the force 10 gas heater idea)
 
My boat is very small inside and I want to use her year-round. The inconvenience of ash etc in a small space, the sheer bulk of the pipework and deck fitting etc, and the lack of headroom for the flue, have made me defect from tradition and get one of these propane heaters, which I plan to fit shortly. It draws air from and exhausts to the outside, using a concentric flexible flue arrangement with unobtrusive external dome-like fitting, so no fumes or oxygen depletion within the cabin. It also has an (optional to use) 12v fan to drive warm air down into the boat. Runs on conventional bottle propane or those disposable cans. I have no 'gas locker' yet, nor probably ever, so will use the cans, possible mounted on deck as they supply a mounting bracket and longish tube to connect it.

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Thats another really good looking product from the USA! AND the glass to see the flame!! Thats great!! Even on the tailors the tiny sooty silica windows wonderful!

Ive no doubt youll be happy with it! And that it will run on Butain in less freezing climes!!
 
Re: Caution

Cheers Mirelle and Smiffy.

As far as stoves are concerned, there's only really room for a Faversham without extensive remodelling. Then there's the "coal stowage versus holding tank" dilemma. Decisions, decisions..

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That's $US not £, and includes the fittings, flue etc, so (at the current exchange rate) is comparable with the cost of any new small solid fuel heater, once you add in the ancillary bits.

Given that solid fuel is ruled out by the bijou interior dimensions, my options were limited, and I do like the water in winter. The cost is a trifle in comparison to the boat's cost, and it will double the amount of boat by doubling the cruising season, so not a bad investment over the boat's lifetime, I like to think. And I expect the 'heat on demand' convenience will beat solid fuel for time and effort saved, particularly on a day sail. At least I don't smoke or gamble, or drink worth mentioning...

But I admit this goes against my trad inclinations!
 
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That's $US not £, and includes the fittings, flue etc, so (at the current exchange rate) is comparable with the cost of any new small solid fuel heater, once you add in the ancillary bits.

Given that solid fuel is ruled out by the bijou interior dimensions, my options were limited, and I do like the water in winter. The cost is a trifle in comparison to the boat's cost, and it will double the amount of boat by doubling the cruising season, so not a bad investment over the boat's lifetime, I like to think. And I expect the 'heat on demand' convenience will beat solid fuel for time and effort saved, particularly on a day sail. At least I don't smoke or gamble, or drink worth mentioning...

But I admit this goes against my trad inclinations!

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Even at today's exchange rate, that stove is over 400 pounds stirling! I can get a wee solid fuel stove here for 130 ish pounds stirling, also, I wont have gas of any kind on a boat of mine. I have seen what happens when it goes bang! No thanks! /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
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I installed one on a camper van based on a 7.5 ton truck, had to work hard to keep a small flame, spent evenings in deep Scottish winter with the windows open having offered it too much air and food! Very good stoves.

I would have loved to see what she looked like on the M6 with smoke wafting from the roof, but I was always inside.
 
Re:solid fuel stove

I sailed with a Svendborg stove from the Lange company in Denmark for six years and did quite well. After having stopped production in the eighties, they now are on the market again. The stove easily managed to heat our 29 foot, wooden boat, using wood. ( not driftwood, though, as I am told the salt ruins the stove ). Often it was even too hot, but you could always open the hatch or undress. Using turf, as we did in Ireland, gave a more moderate climate below decks. I never felt too comfortable using coal. My master knew at least two people, who woke up dead in the morning because of a CO poisoning. This can only happen, if there is
a problem with the airdraft in the flue. Dont lead the pipe around too many bends, or better still, strait up and down and
preferably use an H type chimney. Else, I see no problems having a solid fuel stove. You can cook on its top, smoke fisch in the fluepipe, burning juniper twigs, as the norwegians told us they do and in the tropics, its a safe place to stow eggs inside.
 
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I sort agree about the gas i would rather use diesel(and do) but today a heater with flame failure and other cut outs is safe when used sensably.

My only problem and why i dident make a gas heater which is walm easy clean is the gas! I would be changeing gas bottels every week and there heavy 30kgs!25kgs gas plus bottle and im not sure mine would be as safe as the dickinson which makes very good heaters!

A always wanted one but it was to long it had a small asbeatos bag to control the diesel flow in the burnerpot.I wonder why?? Must have been there for a very good reason!
 
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