Solid cruiser recommendations

[Carib]

Slightly surprised to see you also looked at IPs - they are a completely different design concept. So I'm curious about why you've focused in on the Hanse?

The work involved with an older boat completely depends on the boat. The key is finding one which is already up to a good standard and has had the crucial bits replaced relatively recently where necessary. Many IPs, for example, will have been bought with long distance cruising in mind and you can probably find one already kitted out accordingly (possibly much more so than a Hanse might be). Your plans suggest a fair bit of experience - what have you owned previously and what did you like/dislike about it?

 

[Neil_Y]

The OP has given us his preferences - it's even just possible he's actually thought these through and reached his own conclusion! But, obviously, his views are deeply misguided and he should buy a catamaran (or possibly a Bavaria). That's him sorted out. Next?

Strangely after sailing many boats many miles my favourite (next to the custom built Roger Martin which would cost s few pennies) is still the Bavaria 390. I feel she was a better boat than the Sweden 38 I did a few miles on.

 

[Carib]

Strangely after sailing many boats many miles my favourite (next to the custom built Roger Martin which would cost s few pennies) is still the Bavaria 390. I feel she was a better boat than the Sweden 38 I did a few miles on.

It's just that his stated preferences rule one out. [Edit: just checked out the 390. Rather different to the modern Bavarias in design.] The Roger Martin definitely has that 'serious boat' look, which is hard to define!

 

[geem]

Big spacious boat. Will be fine. Hanse are usually present on the ARC and World Arc - and at 46ft there is no reason why it will not be suitable as a liveaboard.

Here's a blog of a couple who did the ARC in a 430e and despite being on a modern boat, they are still alive and seem to be having quite a lot of fun.



Sailing Hello World

Heaters, air-con, water maker, solar, generator, cockpit enclosures can all be installed on a boat that size but, if you see yourself as spending every day climbing into your oilies with six jumpers and constantly fretting about your keel, the structural integrity of your rudder, the "safeness" of your cockpit, the lack of secure handholds below etc. etc. then it is not for you .... and you should probably invest in a "floating hobbit hole with a skeg hung rudder" instead. ?

... I'll get my coat ???

I think you have is arse about face! Open cockpits in rough weather provide no shelter. You need oiles regularly if you actually do proper sailing not just floating around on yer Bavaria lilo in the Med?
If you want a caravan then go ahead by the Hanse. At anchor it will do a few miles sailing with no engine or sails up! The forward mast and high topsides make these boats wander all over the anchorage?
The OP has explained that he doesnt like these characteristics. He already has the kind of boat you are suggesting but now wants a proper boat?

 

[Baggywrinkle]

I think you have is arse about face! Open cockpits in rough weather provide no shelter. You need oiles regularly if you actually do proper sailing not just floating around on yer Bavaria lilo in the Med?
If you want a caravan then go ahead by the Hanse. At anchor it will do a few miles sailing with no engine or sails up! The forward mast and high topsides make these boats wander all over the anchorage?
The OP has explained that he doesnt like these characteristics. He already has the kind of boat you are suggesting but now wants a proper boat?

? ? ? ..... lol ... sorry if I upset you ... do please tell us what "proper sailing" and a "proper boat" are, I'm all ears? ???

... but if you need oilies regularly then you obviously don't have effective shelter either - or am I missing something? ...

I must admit, I thought "proper sailing" was the ability to make good speed in all conditions, so a First, a J Boat, a Pogo or an X-Yacht would be a proper boat for proper sailing - correct? .... you know, something that can point high and sail off a lee shore without being handicapped by the drag of a hard dodger, the extra rigging and paraphernalia associated with a ketch rig, or the wetted surface of a long keel and skeg?

Your version of "messing about in boats" is not the only valid one - a "floating caravan that smells of fabreeze" is just as valid a boat as a "floating hobbit hole that always smells faintly of the bilge contents" .... why get wound up about other peoples choices? Be happy!

I wasn't even responding to the OP, it was to a poster who was considering a Hanse 461 as a liveaboard.

I know what the OP wants and it is about how he feels about his boat which is subjective and personal - so not much more to say on that really - hope he finds a boat he and his crew are happy with.

... meanwhile, please take pleasure in your boat - there's no need to justify your choice all the time.

 

[Carib]

there's no need to justify your choice all the time.

Self awareness clearly not a strong point!

 

[Lucky Duck]

? ? ? ..... lol ... sorry if I upset you ... do please tell us what "proper sailing" and a "proper boat" are, I'm all ears? ???

... but if you need oilies regularly then you obviously don't have effective shelter either - or am I missing something? ...

I must admit, I thought "proper sailing" was the ability to make good speed in all conditions, so a First, a J Boat, a Pogo or an X-Yacht would be a proper boat for proper sailing - correct? .... you know, something that can point high and sail off a lee shore without being handicapped by the drag of a hard dodger, the extra rigging and paraphernalia associated with a ketch rig, or the wetted surface of a long keel and skeg?

Your version of "messing about in boats" is not the only valid one - a "floating caravan that smells of fabreeze" is just as valid a boat as a "floating hobbit hole that always smells faintly of the bilge contents" .... why get wound up about other peoples choices? Be happy!

I wasn't even responding to the OP, it was to a poster who was considering a Hanse 461 as a liveaboard.

I know what the OP wants and it is about how he feels about his boat which is subjective and personal - so not much more to say on that really - hope he finds a boat he and his crew are happy with.

... meanwhile, please take pleasure in your boat - there's no need to justify your choice all the time.

I have adopted a policy of NEVER recommending my own boat in any of these threads

 

[PaulRainbow]

I think you have is arse about face! Open cockpits in rough weather provide no shelter. You need oiles regularly if you actually do proper sailing not just floating around on yer Bavaria lilo in the Med?
If you want a caravan then go ahead by the Hanse. At anchor it will do a few miles sailing with no engine or sails up! The forward mast and high topsides make these boats wander all over the anchorage?
The OP has explained that he doesnt like these characteristics. He already has the kind of boat you are suggesting but now wants a proper boat?

We had a fairly bad storm here a few days ago. I was sitting having a cuppa when, from the corner of my eye, i saw a mast wildly waving about. I go up and looked out of the portlight and a boat on the opposite pontoon was heeling back and forth and generally looked to be veering about, much, much more then the surrounding boats. So much so that i thought she must have broken a mooring line, so i went out to see if i could tie her up, all lines were present and she was actually well moored. The boat in question, 8 year old Bav 36., 100% true story, was so bad i was tempted to video it.

 

[Baggywrinkle]

I have adopted a policy of NEVER recommending my own boat in any of these threads

Why not? Your avatar looks fine ... has she got a skeg hung rudder? ?

 

[Baggywrinkle]

We had a fairly bad storm here a few days ago. I was sitting having a cuppa when, from the corner of my eye, i saw a mast wildly waving about. I go up and looked out of h portlight and a boat on the opposite pontoon was heeling back and forth and generally looked to be veering about, much, much more then the surrounding boats. So much so that i thought she must have broken a mooring line, so i went out to see if i could tie her up, all lines were present and she was actually well moored. The boat in question, 8 year old Bav 36., 100% true story, was so bad i was tempted to video it.

She was just over-excited and wanted to get out and do some sailing .... ???

 

[PaulRainbow]

She was just over-excited and wanted to get out and do some sailing .... ???

Judging from how she was behaving on her mooring, i wouldn't have wanted to take her out

 

[Lucky Duck]

Why not? Your avatar looks fine ... has she got a skeg hung rudder? ?

That and a full length encapsulated keel

Is the OP part of a syndicate? If I was the second person listed by the OP I wouldn't be terribly impressed by some of the boats being mentioned here.

Edit- the other person on this forum that has they same type as mine moved up from a Twister.

 

[Baggywrinkle]

Judging from how she was behaving on her mooring, i wouldn't have wanted to take her out

Weichei !! ? ? ?

 

[PaulRainbow]

Weichei !! ? ? ?

Thanks for that, demonstrates the slamming very nicely

 

[Baggywrinkle]

Thanks for that, demonstrates the slamming very nicely

nonsense, that's not slamming .... this is slamming

...... not everyone wants to sail a boat that responds like a waterlogged railway sleeper

 

[pvb]

We had a fairly bad storm here a few days ago. I was sitting having a cuppa when, from the corner of my eye, i saw a mast wildly waving about. I go up and looked out of the portlight and a boat on the opposite pontoon was heeling back and forth and generally looked to be veering about, much, much more then the surrounding boats. So much so that i thought she must have broken a mooring line, so i went out to see if i could tie her up, all lines were present and she was actually well moored. The boat in question, 8 year old Bav 36., 100% true story, was so bad i was tempted to video it.

Perhaps the keel had fallen off and rendered it unstable...

 

[geem]

? ? ? ..... lol ... sorry if I upset you ... do please tell us what "proper sailing" and a "proper boat" are, I'm all ears? ???

... but if you need oilies regularly then you obviously don't have effective shelter either - or am I missing something? ...

I must admit, I thought "proper sailing" was the ability to make good speed in all conditions, so a First, a J Boat, a Pogo or an X-Yacht would be a proper boat for proper sailing - correct? .... you know, something that can point high and sail off a lee shore without being handicapped by the drag of a hard dodger, the extra rigging and paraphernalia associated with a ketch rig, or the wetted surface of a long keel and skeg?

Your version of "messing about in boats" is not the only valid one - a "floating caravan that smells of fabreeze" is just as valid a boat as a "floating hobbit hole that always smells faintly of the bilge contents" .... why get wound up about other peoples choices? Be happy!

I wasn't even responding to the OP, it was to a poster who was considering a Hanse 461 as a liveaboard.

I know what the OP wants and it is about how he feels about his boat which is subjective and personal - so not much more to say on that really - hope he finds a boat he and his crew are happy with.

... meanwhile, please take pleasure in your boat - there's no need to justify your choice all the time.

Well that hit the mark????????

 

[PaulRainbow]

Perhaps the keel had fallen off and rendered it unstable...

Good point, if i'd have thought of that at the time i'd have dived in for a look

 

[PaulRainbow]

nonsense, that's not slamming .... this is slamming

...... not everyone wants to sail a boat that responds like a waterlogged railway sleeper

Ah, my kind of sailing.

{end liar mode}

Mine is a go anywhere boat, i haven't recommended her to the OP as i think she might be a bit too tough for his requirements This is her sister ship (pic courtesy of Bob Shepton):

 

[cmedsailor]

Have a look also at the Elan Impression 444/45. The double aft, single front version (with forward heads and separate forward shower). Lot’s of space, strongly built, quite fast and comfortable. And it’s around 43ft (ignore what it says on the side!)