Solid cruiser recommendations
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Carib
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Yep, that's the one. Surely you can't argue that's a pretty (or even passably good-looking) boat? Elegant? The topsides are so high it looks as if it's about to roll over (and do these come with stepladders to dock safely, or do you just accept the odd broken ankle)? Eye of the beholder and all that I know.. I am no doubt a slave to my prejudicesYou mean this elegant, modern, capable cruiser?
Anyway, broadly in terms of the OP's preferences but cockpit thing aside, that kind of money will buy something pretty special.. I'd be checking out Nauticats, Contests, HR and Najad (obviously, given the Malo suggestion), perhaps a Bowman 42 or even a Koopmans (seriously nice boats, Koopmans...if happy to buy abroad, could be interesting at the moment though) - nice problem to have!
robmcg
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You mean this elegant, modern, capable cruiser?
Ah yes, the singularly most unimaginative design for a boat that a human could conceive...........but they will still shift stacks of them!
wully1
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You mean this elegant, modern, capable cruiser?
that is an awfull looking heap....
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Each to their own and all that but I have to say - that’s really not pretty.....You mean this elegant, modern, capable cruiser?
Baggywrinkle
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? ? ? ... it's the future, the future is never pretty to people who hanker after the past.
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it isn’t for me.......
Carib
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Interesting to construe negative comments about one specific boat as 'hankering after the past'. No one's said anything of the sort. I get the impression that this view will continue to be ascribed, without justification, to anyone who doesn't share a worldview in which Bavarias represent the pinnacle of the yachting world.
xyachtdave
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I nearly didn't get further than that dreadful white jacket the chap was wearing!
robmcg
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The future is not always a step forward
RupertW
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You don’t need stepladders - it would be daft to get off at the side - like climbing out of a side window of your house. The whole point of a walkthrough and a wide stern is you have a flat 12 feet fendered surface to moor up - two stern lines and nothing else will hold you perfectly well in a side wind whilst you sort out the rest.Yep, that's the one. Surely you can't argue that's a pretty (or even passably good-looking) boat? Elegant? The topsides are so high it looks as if it's about to roll over (and do these come with stepladders to dock safely, or do you just accept the odd broken ankle)? Eye of the beholder and all that I know.. I am no doubt a slave to my prejudices
Anyway, broadly in terms of the OP's preferences but cockpit thing aside, that kind of money will buy something pretty special.. I'd be checking out Nauticats, Contests, HR and Najad (obviously, given the Malo suggestion), perhaps a Bowman 42 or even a Koopmans (seriously nice boats, Koopmans...if happy to buy abroad, could be interesting at the moment though) - nice problem to have!
But I love the clean lines and flatter decks. Side decks are an abomination above and below deck. But each to their own. But the practical choice for sociable world cruising is an AWB. For Artic cruising then maybe a super solid boat might be better but I’m not planning on going anywhere I have to wear a jacket to protect me from spray or rain.
Carib
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I realise that. But if you're not in the Med?[/QUOTE]
PaulRainbow
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vseager
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Thanks for all the suggestions and comments, we'll look into all options and of course there are compromises to be made.
Thanks, John is based at the same marina we berth our current boat.
I do agree with this to some extent, bear in mind that we already own 7 year old Dufour. I know modern production boats are safe, and I appreciate that it would take a lot to sink almost anything with a keel that is made of GRP, but it's how it makes you feel. Our Dufour is good looking, comfortable to dine in and socialise onboard, has a drop down bathing platform etc and is perfectly seaworthy. In nice weather she's a dream to sail. She slams underway in choppy seas, and slaps at the stern when stationary. It's this that I would like to avoid or improve with the next purchase, otherwise we are basically going through the hassle of upgrading for nothing more than a second loo.
I have sailed our boat in a force 6 and rough sea state and felt very uncomfortable. I've also crewed on a Swan across the channel in a force 9 with swells above my head when in the trough and couldn't have felt safer. I guess where some of us find comfort in things being shiny and new, I find comfort in a boat that I know will look after me.
Thanks, John is based at the same marina we berth our current boat.
I can hear the crashing and banging whilst trying to sleep in that after cabin already though!
I do agree with this to some extent, bear in mind that we already own 7 year old Dufour. I know modern production boats are safe, and I appreciate that it would take a lot to sink almost anything with a keel that is made of GRP, but it's how it makes you feel. Our Dufour is good looking, comfortable to dine in and socialise onboard, has a drop down bathing platform etc and is perfectly seaworthy. In nice weather she's a dream to sail. She slams underway in choppy seas, and slaps at the stern when stationary. It's this that I would like to avoid or improve with the next purchase, otherwise we are basically going through the hassle of upgrading for nothing more than a second loo.
I have sailed our boat in a force 6 and rough sea state and felt very uncomfortable. I've also crewed on a Swan across the channel in a force 9 with swells above my head when in the trough and couldn't have felt safer. I guess where some of us find comfort in things being shiny and new, I find comfort in a boat that I know will look after me.
Carib
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Yep. So often missed in these discussions!
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‘I guess where some of us find comfort in things being shiny and new, I find comfort in a boat that I know will look after me.”
Yes that’s about it in a nutshell; enough said.
Yes that’s about it in a nutshell; enough said.
jonic
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Yes, met the OP in the marina the other day and had a good discussion.
peter gibbs
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It's an interesting debate. The aims of each of the three principals are of course largely self-cancelling and this team probably wouldn't last more than a couple of seasons anyway - that's what happens when folks get pressed into tight conditions,
So to focus on what you can get for £180k. Firstly, reduce that and allow £30k for renovations and improvements; so £150 for purchase.
Scandis are status boats - forget them, You would be paying a premium that meets none of your purchase conditions. All hulls are fit for purpose. Some machinery is less reliable - buy only top names; maintenance is key.
To the spec:
What is a safe cockpit - who sells a boat with a dangerous cockpit? A large wide cocktail bar cockpit is far less useful under way - purchase and safety points etc
Permanent hood - highly desirable, and available on a num ber of European boats
Keel - this is a hangover from earlier design days and not critical to your mission. Drop it down the spec
Skeg hung rudder - another piece of yesterday; non critical
Shaft drive - again, not critical. I can assure you S legs have numerous advantages - they run in reverse in a straight line for one. useful
Deep hull shape and comfortable pretty well cancel out. An eggcup shape hull section offers less beam, and beam means comfort. Make your choice
Insulation; this is significant but most modern designs deliver. A wooden deck adds substantial further protection.
Main sheet led aft. I would add all key lines led to cockpit; this is important - designs with lines cleating to masts or elsewhere are a pain.
You will get 2 head as standard on almost anything over 40 ft.
My build on your list:
Autohelm - for easy days and tough situations
For your length a motor of at least 50hp - some makes use small engines for economy claims
Effective Hot water system. Forget water makers - only for transocean Warm air ducting too
In mast furling a serious consideration. Jib furling a given
Engine compartment sound proofing - most makes underscore on this.
Radar and compact plotter. Regard on board electronics as all unreliable and replace on second hand purchase.
What fits your needs best is a large catamaran.
PWG
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* The entertainer who wants to be able to dine outside and sleep in a fabulous cabin
* An ex-dinghy racer who doesn't like hanging around
* Me who just wants something that has a safe cockpit, is built like a tank and that will take care of her crew in all weathers.
There are a couple of things that we do all agree on:
* Size - between 40ft - 43ft would be ideal.
* Price - up to £180k absolute max - this would need to be the perfect yacht etc so depending on condition.
* Must have two heads
* At least two good sized double cabins
We looked at a Malo, it was essentially my dream boat, it was top of budget and did still need odd bits doing such as as a new bimini cover, but was fully kitted out and very well maintained generally. However, for the others the cockpit was too small for a full spread buffet service meal (eat below deck and come up for a drink I said!), and they felt that it had some equipment that would require maintenance but that we may not get the use out of, such as a water maker.
Things I liked about the Malo:
* Safe cockpit
* Hard dodger
* Encapsulated keel with lead bulb
* Skeg hung rudder
* Shaft drive (Saildrives just feel vulnerable to me)
* Deep, comfortable hull shape
* Thick, well-insulated hull and deck - condensation drives us mad despite our best efforts
* The targa arch bringing the main sheet and track to the end of the boom without intruding in the cockpit
So to focus on what you can get for £180k. Firstly, reduce that and allow £30k for renovations and improvements; so £150 for purchase.
Scandis are status boats - forget them, You would be paying a premium that meets none of your purchase conditions. All hulls are fit for purpose. Some machinery is less reliable - buy only top names; maintenance is key.
To the spec:
What is a safe cockpit - who sells a boat with a dangerous cockpit? A large wide cocktail bar cockpit is far less useful under way - purchase and safety points etc
Permanent hood - highly desirable, and available on a num ber of European boats
Keel - this is a hangover from earlier design days and not critical to your mission. Drop it down the spec
Skeg hung rudder - another piece of yesterday; non critical
Shaft drive - again, not critical. I can assure you S legs have numerous advantages - they run in reverse in a straight line for one. useful
Deep hull shape and comfortable pretty well cancel out. An eggcup shape hull section offers less beam, and beam means comfort. Make your choice
Insulation; this is significant but most modern designs deliver. A wooden deck adds substantial further protection.
Main sheet led aft. I would add all key lines led to cockpit; this is important - designs with lines cleating to masts or elsewhere are a pain.
You will get 2 head as standard on almost anything over 40 ft.
My build on your list:
Autohelm - for easy days and tough situations
For your length a motor of at least 50hp - some makes use small engines for economy claims
Effective Hot water system. Forget water makers - only for transocean Warm air ducting too
In mast furling a serious consideration. Jib furling a given
Engine compartment sound proofing - most makes underscore on this.
Radar and compact plotter. Regard on board electronics as all unreliable and replace on second hand purchase.
What fits your needs best is a large catamaran.
PWG
____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
* The entertainer who wants to be able to dine outside and sleep in a fabulous cabin
* An ex-dinghy racer who doesn't like hanging around
* Me who just wants something that has a safe cockpit, is built like a tank and that will take care of her crew in all weathers.
There are a couple of things that we do all agree on:
* Size - between 40ft - 43ft would be ideal.
* Price - up to £180k absolute max - this would need to be the perfect yacht etc so depending on condition.
* Must have two heads
* At least two good sized double cabins
We looked at a Malo, it was essentially my dream boat, it was top of budget and did still need odd bits doing such as as a new bimini cover, but was fully kitted out and very well maintained generally. However, for the others the cockpit was too small for a full spread buffet service meal (eat below deck and come up for a drink I said!), and they felt that it had some equipment that would require maintenance but that we may not get the use out of, such as a water maker.
Things I liked about the Malo:
* Safe cockpit
* Hard dodger
* Encapsulated keel with lead bulb
* Skeg hung rudder
* Shaft drive (Saildrives just feel vulnerable to me)
* Deep, comfortable hull shape
* Thick, well-insulated hull and deck - condensation drives us mad despite our best efforts
* The targa arch bringing the main sheet and track to the end of the boom without intruding in the cockpit
ashtead
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The OP also has to face the choice between an older solid Boat at say 42 foot and newer mass market version. While at higher price point such as a Hallberg or rustler 42 or something much newer with that wide stern, twin stern cabins etc to easy to be attracted to newer types. While out of the OP budget many might like say a 46Najad but if you look at the price of say a newer 39 version it’s hard to justify the cost over many other vessels out there. If you limit choice to a monohull of say around 12m and less than say 7 years old it reduces field . Personally I would be looking for a self tacking headsail and some power winches plus a bowthruster in a drop down as opposed to tunnel and a drop main as opposed to in mast . Add all those in and the choice reduces somewhat further . For comfort I would advocate at least a hard windscreen if not a hard top and if it has a long sprayhood with zip down back panels it does give protection on night crossings but maybe the OP doesn’t plan night sailing in the Baltic. Having sailed a Dufour you might find an ageing teak decked Hallberg rather staid. What might suit is an XC42 but rather more budget likewise the elderly Sweden 42 etc.
