rbrooks
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When does a boat "officially" become a classic?
Or how does one decide what a Classic boat is?
Or how does one decide what a Classic boat is?
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In the eye of the beholder
In fear of being drummed of this website!
Not all old boats are classics, in fact I would go on to say that very few old boats are classic! And that there are the (in relevant terms) a greater number modern classics built today as there were in 1901 or even 1801 do not be confused with old=classic.
A classic boat is one which has a design or build pedigree, the fact that some one has done an incredible Voyage in a particular type of boat does not mean that boat is a classic.
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In fear of being drummed of this website!
Not all old boats are classics, in fact I would go on to say that very few old boats are classic! And that there are the (in relevant terms) a greater number modern classics built today as there were in 1901 or even 1801 do not be confused with old=classic.
A classic boat is one which has a design or build pedigree, the fact that some one has done an incredible Voyage in a particular type of boat does not mean that boat is a classic.
-{)>Mirelle
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Grade 1, Grade 2.
A boat built by an outstandingly good yard to the designs of an outstanding designer, maintained or restored to her original condition, is Grade 1 and a classic beyond doubt. Such boats are rare. Fife, Nicholson, Summers and Payne, Sibbick, Howard - add your own names but the list is quite short. The restoration to original is equally important.
A handsome boat, well proportioned, built by a good yard to the designs of a less eminent designer and maintained externally with proper regard to her history (small changes, such as winches, guard rails, life raft stowage and so on being allowed) is Grade 2, and down below she can be radically modernised.
Grade 3 is "Nice boat"
Grade 4 is "interesting old boat"
Grade 5 is "old boat".....
A boat built by an outstandingly good yard to the designs of an outstanding designer, maintained or restored to her original condition, is Grade 1 and a classic beyond doubt. Such boats are rare. Fife, Nicholson, Summers and Payne, Sibbick, Howard - add your own names but the list is quite short. The restoration to original is equally important.
A handsome boat, well proportioned, built by a good yard to the designs of a less eminent designer and maintained externally with proper regard to her history (small changes, such as winches, guard rails, life raft stowage and so on being allowed) is Grade 2, and down below she can be radically modernised.
Grade 3 is "Nice boat"
Grade 4 is "interesting old boat"
Grade 5 is "old boat".....
ccscott49
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Re: Grade 1, Grade 2.
Whose grading system is this, yours?
Whose grading system is this, yours?
Mirelle
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Re: Grade 1, Grade 2.
Actually, I had it from Peter Mather, of the Harrison Butler Association. What's yours?
Actually, I had it from Peter Mather, of the Harrison Butler Association. What's yours?
ccscott49
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Re: Grade 1, Grade 2.
I dont bother and try to keep out of any argument about it, I have a classic boat, she is a John Bain designed, wooden built ketch, but only 31 years old, but she fulfills your or Peter Mathers' criteira as 2 I guess. I just wondered if somebody had finally come up with a recognised system, I think you may get a few differences of opinion, but not from me, don't want to get my bum burnt!
I dont bother and try to keep out of any argument about it, I have a classic boat, she is a John Bain designed, wooden built ketch, but only 31 years old, but she fulfills your or Peter Mathers' criteira as 2 I guess. I just wondered if somebody had finally come up with a recognised system, I think you may get a few differences of opinion, but not from me, don't want to get my bum burnt!
Mirelle
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Re: Grade 1, Grade 2.
I don't take it seriously, and neither did Peter! Still, it's the best system I've heard about (the analogy being with "listed buildings" of course).
We have a nice old boat. designed by William Blake and built by Claude Whisstock in 1937. To us she is not an historical monument or any sort of "classic", she is a good family cruiser, although I confess that I have had to alter the fixed bowsprit that she was built with into a Victorian "reefing" model, to get into modern marinas!
I don't take it seriously, and neither did Peter! Still, it's the best system I've heard about (the analogy being with "listed buildings" of course).
We have a nice old boat. designed by William Blake and built by Claude Whisstock in 1937. To us she is not an historical monument or any sort of "classic", she is a good family cruiser, although I confess that I have had to alter the fixed bowsprit that she was built with into a Victorian "reefing" model, to get into modern marinas!
ccscott49
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Re: Grade 1, Grade 2.
Now she would be a classic in my book, Cheaper the reefing bowsprits, save a bunch!
Now she would be a classic in my book, Cheaper the reefing bowsprits, save a bunch!
rbrooks
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Re: Grade 1, Grade 2.
On your list Grade 5 is old can I count 1975 as old, 'cos I'd love to wind my mates up by telling them I've got a GRADE 5 classic, sounds realy impressive.
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On your list Grade 5 is old can I count 1975 as old, 'cos I'd love to wind my mates up by telling them I've got a GRADE 5 classic, sounds realy impressive.
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chippie
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Re: Grade 1, Grade 2.
How old is old? Thirty, fifty, one hundred years?
No argument about the last one I guess.
Do any multi hulls comply? The Aucland NZ museum has a display of a pacific outrigger canoe of a type that was capable of 15 plus knots when Captain Cook was around. It doesnt fit with my mindset of 'classic' though - no bronze fittings, not designed and constructed by a great yard etc.etc.
Food for thought eh?
How old is old? Thirty, fifty, one hundred years?
No argument about the last one I guess.
Do any multi hulls comply? The Aucland NZ museum has a display of a pacific outrigger canoe of a type that was capable of 15 plus knots when Captain Cook was around. It doesnt fit with my mindset of 'classic' though - no bronze fittings, not designed and constructed by a great yard etc.etc.
Food for thought eh?
ccscott49
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Re: Grade 1, Grade 2.
"Historic craft" or "craft of special scientific interest" or "craft of special historic interest" perhaps?
"Historic craft" or "craft of special scientific interest" or "craft of special historic interest" perhaps?
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Different grading system.
Type 1 Classic: -
A vessel which has been in its present keepers or families guardianship for over 10 years and is love to buy its present keeper and family is used, enjoyed and maintained by the and keeper and family (and needless to say never used else )
Type 2 classic : -
A vessel that fulfils its purpose perfectly and continues to do so, eg a Endeavour, Shamrock, PlayStation, Mirelle, a lot of working vessels (smacks, pilot cutters, punts, some warships and salvage vessels) Etc
Type 3 Classic -
A vessel that in its design or build is the first or last of a development process (it doesn't need to be a successful tournament process) eg Dyarchy, Twister of B..., Team Philips, Britannia Etc
Type 4 classic: -
A vessel from type 1 or 2 which has been superficially modified to improve or change its usage eg Stormy passage, many ex working craft that and now turned into cruisers/racers, ex racing craft that from now pretty cruisers,
I don't believe that age has anything to with whether a vessel is classic or not in most cases it's a state of mind in either the designer filled a or present keeper.
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Type 1 Classic: -
A vessel which has been in its present keepers or families guardianship for over 10 years and is love to buy its present keeper and family is used, enjoyed and maintained by the and keeper and family (and needless to say never used else )
Type 2 classic : -
A vessel that fulfils its purpose perfectly and continues to do so, eg a Endeavour, Shamrock, PlayStation, Mirelle, a lot of working vessels (smacks, pilot cutters, punts, some warships and salvage vessels) Etc
Type 3 Classic -
A vessel that in its design or build is the first or last of a development process (it doesn't need to be a successful tournament process) eg Dyarchy, Twister of B..., Team Philips, Britannia Etc
Type 4 classic: -
A vessel from type 1 or 2 which has been superficially modified to improve or change its usage eg Stormy passage, many ex working craft that and now turned into cruisers/racers, ex racing craft that from now pretty cruisers,
I don't believe that age has anything to with whether a vessel is classic or not in most cases it's a state of mind in either the designer filled a or present keeper.
-{)>Mirelle
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Rather a good one!
I think I like that one.
How would Frank Knight's "YET" score, I wonder....
Aldous built Colne fishing smack...
Converted to yacht from fishing boat in 1938....
....by the man who still owns her!
I think I like that one.
How would Frank Knight's "YET" score, I wonder....
Aldous built Colne fishing smack...
Converted to yacht from fishing boat in 1938....
....by the man who still owns her!
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It depends on your attitude
Question Starter for 10
Is it better to lose in glory (probably the finest feat of seamanship ever recorded bar Shackleton's) or to be the best without a spin Dr
I suppose if in fact there has no real argument you can either enjoy life pampered?????????????? west of London or be Last heard of somewhere between Brazil and Portugal!
Would anyone like to be my spin-doctor?
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Question Starter for 10
Is it better to lose in glory (probably the finest feat of seamanship ever recorded bar Shackleton's) or to be the best without a spin Dr
I suppose if in fact there has no real argument you can either enjoy life pampered?????????????? west of London or be Last heard of somewhere between Brazil and Portugal!
Would anyone like to be my spin-doctor?
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The Antique and Classic Boat Society submits the following definitions in answer to your question - see more info here: http://www.acbs.org/Public/PresidentsManual/index.htm
Historic Boat: A boat built up to and including 1918.
Antique Boat: A boat built between 1919 and 1942 inclusive.
Classic Boat: A boat built between 1943 and 1968 inclusive.
Production Contemporary: A production wooden boat built 1969 to present.
Custom Contemporary: A modified or one-of-a-kind wooden boat built 1969 to the present.
Replica: A boat built in a non-production manner, intended to be on-of-a-kind, and usually an exact copy or duplicate of a boat previously built or manufactured.
Tom King- 57 Sportsman
http://www.ccmanuals.crosswinds.net/
Historic Boat: A boat built up to and including 1918.
Antique Boat: A boat built between 1919 and 1942 inclusive.
Classic Boat: A boat built between 1943 and 1968 inclusive.
Production Contemporary: A production wooden boat built 1969 to present.
Custom Contemporary: A modified or one-of-a-kind wooden boat built 1969 to the present.
Replica: A boat built in a non-production manner, intended to be on-of-a-kind, and usually an exact copy or duplicate of a boat previously built or manufactured.
Tom King- 57 Sportsman
http://www.ccmanuals.crosswinds.net/
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