Sharing gate codes/Marina pontoon and shower access

[NickRobinson]

Not checked out that gate code app, may be perfect but...

Why not just prop the gate open with a brick, like I've seen? (and give 'looks' to people who close gates..)


Contractors, fishing parties, large social/family groups/children sometimes feel its fine to reduce security (which we have paid a premium for) ''Oh, my guest is just going to get something from the car, they'll probably shut it soon...' etc

At Hartlepool for Tall Ships, the sanitaires were full of people using shared codes/swipes/'can I come in with you's'

To all secure marina users not currently on the boat- is your access being shared round with people who shouldn't have it, is the gate access being shared without permission?

Is your marina informed and happy about this app?

Sorry to sound a bit ranty but I want to think my boat is reasonably secure when I'm not there

Nick

 

[charles_reed]

Not checked out that gate code app, may be perfect but...

Why not just prop the gate open with a brick, like I've seen? (and give 'looks' to people who close gates..)


Contractors, fishing parties, large social/family groups/children sometimes feel its fine to reduce security (which we have paid a premium for) ''Oh, my guest is just going to get something from the car, they'll probably shut it soon...' etc



At Hartlepool for Tall Ships, the sanitaires were full of people using shared codes/swipes/'can I come in with you's'

To all secure marina users not currently on the boat- is your access being shared round with people who shouldn't have it, is the gate access being shared without permission?

Is your marina informed and happy about this app?

Sorry to sound a bit ranty but I want to think my boat is reasonably secure when I'm not there

Nick

Totally agree, as it was the unfortunate norm in Msida, where my boat got turned over for >£8K of gear.

 

[nigelmercier]

I think the idea is that you share with your crew, not globally.

I'm a compulsive gate/door shutter. If I see one that is meant to be closed propped open, I shut it.

 

[Vara]

I get a bit paranoid about this even though Dover Marina isn't a crime hotspot, if somebody i don't recognise tries to follow me in I ask them their business. An app that details codes is not a particularly bright idea.

 

[l'escargot]

Not checked out that gate code app...Nick

Probably would have been better if you had before commenting on it. The only sharing it mentions is "...an ability to share codes with crew via txt...". No different than telling them or giving them the little slip of paper that it is usually printed on.

I always make a note of the code in "Notes" on mine and SWMBOs phones, if this app was available for iPhone I would use it instead - it is no more open to abuse than any other form of recording codes.

 

[NickRobinson]

I think the idea is that you share with your crew, not globally.
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True, but once the info is in the public domain..

My crew are all saints, your crew are probably all right, that lot over there are dodgy...'

 

[AntarcticPilot]

The marina where I am has quite tight security, and the gate/shower codes are changed on a frequent basis. It is in a "regeneration" area, so I guess it's necessary. The car gate closes automatically; it can't be left open. The personnel gate is on a strong spring, and it would be hard to block it open, but not impossible. As cars are parked inside the security perimeter, there's no reason to block the gate open, though.

The crucial thing above, though, is that the codes are changed frequently. There are marinas not a million miles from us where the gate code has remained the same for years - and everyone knows it, so it's not really much use!

 

[NickRobinson]

Probably would have been better if you had before commenting on it.

But I flagged that fact up, I try not to dload apps in development which I do not need.

Then instead of derailing the OPs thread, I started a new one looking at security in general.

N

 

[jerrytug]

I get a bit paranoid about this even though Dover Marina isn't a crime hotspot, if somebody i don't recognise tries to follow me in I ask them their business. An app that details codes is not a particularly bright idea.

I was asleep in the Wellington Dock,and woken at dawn by the yacht violently heeling over, shoes on deck, pots and pans on the floor, and the sound of mens voices whispering, 'I don't think there's anyone on board' etc.
As I fell off the bunk reaching for a winch handle, I saw it was the size nines of the Port Police, who had seen the hatch partly open...

 

[prv]

True, but once the info is in the public domain..

How does it get into "the public domain"?

Pete

 

[puddock]

True, but once the info is in the public domain..

My crew are all saints, your crew are probably all right, that lot over there are dodgy...'

Public Domain???? How? It's being shared between "contacts" not posted on Facebook or whatever.

Having said that, I don't see what this system would offer that sending your crew a simple text message with the code couldn't?

 

[budgester]

I guess the only thing it would offer would be saving having to type the codes in to send the text message.

I figure it'd be safer to have the codes on the phone rather than a scrap of paper/business card that will fall out of a pocket.

Why don't marina's change code on a regular basis, probably due to admin, and the agro off people keep forgetting the codes.

 

[AntarcticPilot]

How does it get into "the public domain"?

Pete

Any code number that is necessarily known to several hundred people will certainly find its way into the "public domain" sooner or later; owners will tell crew, crew will tell friends, friends will tell friends. I plead guilty - I routinely share the code for our marina with my brother. The only defense is for the code to be changed on a regular basis.

 

[budgester]

If the code is changed on a regular basis, in then becomes difficult to remember, hence the app.

 

[prv]

Any code number that is necessarily known to several hundred people will certainly find its way into the "public domain"

I know, but I was asking Nick who seems to believe that storing it one's phone causes this to happen faster.

Pete

 

[NickRobinson]

I know, but I was asking Nick who seems to believe that storing it one's phone causes this to happen faster.

Pete

Hi Pete/All

In my thread I have broadened the topic to cover easy access by any means to secure? areas.

In my last school there were keycoded outer doors- when the code changed (termly-ish) the students used to ask staff if they wanted the door opening, within hours of the change.

Public domain is a little grand I admit, but like that Tom Lehrer song about the p*x, it tends to get around

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Glfk_8oU7ko

N

 

[winsbury]

If the code is changed on a regular basis, in then becomes difficult to remember, hence the app.

+1

I dont think the purpose is to share the info so much as a reminder on ones own phone that is usually in hand when venturing ashore. That said, I have a nice little post-it-note type app on my phone which suffices so it is reinventing the wheel somewhat.

 

[Tony Cross]

I'm a compulsive gate/door shutter. If I see one that is meant to be closed propped open, I shut it.

I'm glad you posted that, I did think I was the only one.

 

[l'escargot]

I think that the thought that any area that is accessed by possibly hundreds of people can be secure is a little overoptimistic - especially when there is no control on arrival by water and anyone who really wants a code can cough up a few quid for a short stay, be given the code and can then return at will gaining repeat access until the code is changed. Code panels also seem to be mostly mounted at head level in full view and people seldom take as much care inputting the number as they do on a bank machine...

 

[budgester]

In my opinion it's definitely Security Theatre.

It doesn't stop anyone that wants to get onto the marina badly enough from getting there, in fact I would suggest that the codes and gates make the pontoons a bit less secure, there is the expectation that if you are on the pontoons then you are there legitimately because you've got through the gate, so less likely to be questioned by people on other boats if they haven't seen you before.

However if access to pontoons if open would secure our boats better with the expectation that any tom dick or harry could be walking past.

Most houses that get burgled are the ones hidden behind bushes, or from hidden back doors etc.... not high traffic roads.

But then who doesn't love a bit of theatre.