Schengen 90/180 post Brexit (again... I know!)

[Graham376]

Visa extensions are granted under some circumstances to those who have already had a 3 month visa. As we don't need a visa, how can we extend it? How to Extend a Schengen Visa while being within Schengen Area (schengenvisainfo.com)

 

[nortada]

That is one of the problems with having residency in the EU, you are only allowed unlimited stay in the country of your residency, you still are limited to 90/180 in all other Schengen states as a UK citizen.

My wife and I had been planning on selling up and taking an extended "holiday" on a boat in the Med after we are both pensioned, the news that our bank in the UK is going to remove any accounts of those living in the EU was the final straw, but with only a residency card for me then I would have to return to Belgium or the UK every 90days.

Not knowing what the rules are going to be makes things difficult. Most of our trips to the UK are via Ijmuden to Newcastle, the prospect of traveling from Newcastle to Ijmuden on my UK passport, getting it stamped there and then driving on to my home in Belgium, stay 120days and then have to go back to the UK via Ijmuden they see the passport stamped 120days ago, deport me and not allow me back in, it's a prospect that could happen at the moment.

So now it'll have to be a bigger boat and sail to North Africa, stay for a while and then return for a fresh 90 days.
Sigh!

Never considered having residency in the EU a problem. Indeed, I suspect many would like to be blessed with this problem.

If cruising abroad, for a number of reasons, keeping a contact address in the U.K. is a smart move. For a start, it would overcome any banking problems.

Agree, not knowing the rules does make planning difficult but you are not the first to see 90 days in North Africa or other non-Schengen Zone countries as a possible solution.

Best of luck with your adventure and look forward to hearing how you get on.

 

[st599]

On the Visa front, nothing has really changed, we're part of the Visa Waiver now. See:
https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=CELEX:32018R1806&from=EN - Visa Waiver, Countries it applies to, what the waiver allows you to do

For more information on the Schengen agreement, this website is good, note whilst we have a waiver, the time limits still apply:
Schengen Visa Types & Validity, Duration of Stay, 90/180 Rule & Visa Sticker

Examples of Long stay Visa rules, note they are different for each country, and not all are available to tourists:
Long-stay visa | France-Visas.gouv.fr
German Embassy London and Consulate General Edinburgh
Pages - Long Stay Visa: (Studies, Residence, Work)

 

[nortada]

The UK government have confirmed that visa access and visa waivers are not part of this negotiation.

Possibly because this, like many other issues, has already been agreed and just needs to be signed off at the end of the current trade negotiations

 

[nortada]

On the Visa front, nothing has really changed, we're part of the Visa Waiver now. See:
https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=CELEX:32018R1806&from=EN - Visa Waiver, Countries it applies to, what the waiver allows you to do

For more information on the Schengen agreement, this website is good, note whilst we have a waiver, the time limits still apply:
Schengen Visa Types & Validity, Duration of Stay, 90/180 Rule & Visa Sticker

Examples of Long stay Visa rules, note they are different for each country, and not all are available to tourists:
Long-stay visa | France-Visas.gouv.fr
German Embassy London and Consulate General Edinburgh
Pages - Long Stay Visa: (Studies, Residence, Work)

Many thanks, very useful.

A lot of reading so as it is a bit late will I try to get my head around it over the next few days.

Although we do not have Covid, for personal reasons, we are about to go into isolation so there should be plenty of time.

 

[Star-Lord]

Thank you, very useful.

Please provide the link you are using to get all of this information.

Ta

Please provide a link for all your information you impart as well. All the time, every time.

Many thanks.

 

[Star-Lord]

It seems short stay Italian visas over 90 days require you to submit application for residency as well.

 

[Star-Lord]

It's a phrase commonly found on donkey sanctuary forums: Laughing My Ass Off.

Obv never heard of Google either.

 

[Ningaloo]

So now it'll have to be a bigger boat and sail to North Africa, stay for a while and then return for a fresh 90 days.
Sigh!

My decision too. I'm getting an ocean capable boat and probably leaving the EU (where I have kept my boat and lived aboard 5 months a year since 2004) and UK permanently.

 

[Ningaloo]

The UK government have confirmed that visa access and visa waivers are not part of this negotiation.

Agreed. The Schengen rules for third country nationals won't be changing any time soon, although the enforcement of the 90 day limit will become much more rigorous from 2022 when the Schengen wide automated/electronic border control comes into force in 2022.

 

[syvictoria]

I'm not sure whether this has been posted elsewhere before, but it answers a lot of possible questions re: the visa waiver if anyone is still unclear:

https://eeas.europa.eu/sites/eeas/files/visa_waiver_faqs_en.pdf

I was surprised by the answer to Q8:

8. Is travel medical insurance always necessary in order to travel in Schengen area?
Travel medical insurance is not mandatory for visa-free third country nationals. Nonetheless, it is recommended to get one in case of travel to the Schengen countries.

Perhaps the differentiation here is between those who require a Schengen visa and those who are visa free/waivered.

It does also confirm that overstaying "can likewise result in a re-entry ban to the Schengen area. Depending on the Member State administrative penalties may also apply."

 

[nortada]

Please provide a link for all your information you impart as well. All the time, every time.

Many thanks.

Where possible, of course I will but unfortunately, much of what I use, is from direct personal contacts, experiences or from a variety of sources, some of whom do not publish on line.

 

[nortada]

It seems short stay Italian visas over 90 days require you to submit application for residency as well.

Link? ?

If you get residency in Italy why would you still need a visa

Given time scales will it be possible to get Italian residency before 31/12/20 or will applications be processed under the rules for third nation nationals

 

[RupertW]

I'm not sure whether this has been posted elsewhere before, but it answers a lot of possible questions re: the visa waiver if anyone is still unclear:

https://eeas.europa.eu/sites/eeas/files/visa_waiver_faqs_en.pdf

I was surprised by the answer to Q8:

8. Is travel medical insurance always necessary in order to travel in Schengen area?
Travel medical insurance is not mandatory for visa-free third country nationals. Nonetheless, it is recommended to get one in case of travel to the Schengen countries.

Perhaps the differentiation here is between those who require a Schengen visa and those who are visa free/waivered.

It does also confirm that overstaying "can likewise result in a re-entry ban to the Schengen area. Depending on the Member State administrative penalties may also apply."

I’m not surprised that it’s not mandatory - we spent a decade sailing in the EU without the EHIC or any travel insurance and have done the same when off to other destinations like Hong Kong and USA. Some people get insured for everything, some people assume like us that nothing will happen and don’t bother. Our thoughts are changing over the years and we have recently had an EHIC - obviously about to expire. I know wouldn’t go uninsured to the USA but am glad I never bothered with the expense before.

 

[syvictoria]

I’m not surprised that it’s not mandatory - we spent a decade sailing in the EU without the EHIC or any travel insurance and have done the same when off to other destinations like Hong Kong and USA. Some people get insured for everything, some people assume like us that nothing will happen and don’t bother. Our thoughts are changing over the years and we have recently had an EHIC - obviously about to expire. I know wouldn’t go uninsured to the USA but am glad I never bothered with the expense before.

I think that health insurance is mandatory for third country nationals who require a visa (i.e. not UK national who can travel visa-free), and hence my surprise. I had thought that the only advantage of the visa-waiver was less form filling, but it seems that the general requirements are slightly less onerous too, which for once is a nice surprise!

(and a link before I too get put on the naughty step! Schengen Travel Visa Insurance – Europe Travel Insurance )

 

[nortada]

Reckon the naughty step could fill up very quickly. ?

 

[Star-Lord]

Link? ?

If you get residency in Italy why would you still need a visa

Given time scales will it be possible to get Italian residency before 31/12/20 or will applications be processed under the rules for third nation nationals

Google 'Italian Visa' DYOR

 

[Star-Lord]

I think that health insurance is mandatory for third country nationals who require a visa (i.e. not UK national who can travel visa-free), and hence my surprise. I had thought that the only advantage of the visa-waiver was less form filling, but it seems that the general requirements are slightly less onerous too, which for once is a nice surprise!

(and a link before I too get put on the naughty step! Schengen Travel Visa Insurance – Europe Travel Insurance )

I have additional ins (additional to boat) from Pants - 3rd Party - and Accident. They used to do medical as well but no more. Maybe Accident ins will be good enough...

 

[Star-Lord]

Link? ?

If you get residency in Italy why would you still need a visa

Given time scales will it be possible to get Italian residency before 31/12/20 or will applications be processed under the rules for third nation nationals

Nobody is talking about getting Italian residency. The talk was about visas NOT residency.

 

[nortada]

Nobody is talking about getting Italian residency. The talk was about visas NOT residency.

I am.

My question, if I believe what I am reading, post 31/12/20 that U.K nationals will be getting visa free travel in the EU for up to 90 days in 180, so why this discussion about visas

As I understand it, as things stand, after 90 days, unless you are an Italian resident, Schengen rules will, require you to leave the EU for the next 90 days; then you can return for up to a further 90 days. Where do visas fit in

Sorry, almost forgot:- https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=CELEX:32018R1806&from=EN

Not the easiest link to read and rather long?