nortada
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F$#k knows.
RYA promotes the RYA's interest - self promotion.
As an overseas sailor, certainly not mine.
SYV Sorry for thread drift? - back to topic.
F$#k knows.
Sorry - that hadn't actually even occurred to me... I've seen numerous responses in other threads along the lines of 'you might get more response in x forum', and often from your good self!
And please, again to quote your good self, let's keep this thread on track. If you have nothing helpful or supportive to say... etc.
Of course it was not said in jest. The UK, in my eyes quite wrongly, voted to leave the EU. We now must follow the rules that every other non-EU country must follow.I hope that's said in jest! We can't possibly just sit back and accept a status quo forever! Brexit is happening, but the shape of the future is still very much up for negotiation.
You are talking about professional crew? Amateur crew don't sign on and off yachts and your scheme looks like an easy way to get illegals into a country.why become fixated on shengen rules,yacht crew signed onto a vessel should be allowed to land using a shore pass that can be renewed every 3 months,indefinitly,since technically whilst the yacht is in the country they are residents,shengen rules should only apply once they are signed off of the yacht.
???F$#k knows.
this was the rule,rather than the exception in most of the world for ALL crew joining ANY vessel up untill about 20 years ago.You are talking about professional crew? Amateur crew don't sign on and off yachts and your scheme looks like an easy way to get illegals into a country.
Of course it was not said in jest. The UK, in my eyes quite wrongly, voted to leave the EU. We now must follow the rules that every other non-EU country must follow.
I can't see the UK being able to negotiate its way out of a paper bag at the moment.
.The RYA's information page about what happens after Brexit:
Brexit - what happens next? | Current Affairs | Knowledge & Advice | RYA - Royal Yachting Association
states in it's final paragraphs:
"The RYA has been lobbying hard to ensure that the inadequacy of the Schengen visa time frames for UK residents who keep their boats in the EU and who wish to cruise in excess of 90 days on Community waters is understood.
We are asking members who would be impacted by the restriction of only being able to spend 90 days in any 180 days in the Schengen area to write to their MP and urge the UK Government to seek reciprocity, as UK allows visitors to stay for up to six months."
I brought this to the attention of my MP by email, and it would seem that he is now going to try to pursue this matter through parliament! Whether his efforts will have any affect, I can of course not say, but it is a positive step in the right direction at least. I would therefore encourage as many people as possible to write to their MPs. It's also worth noting that this was not the first time that I'd emailed my MP regarding this matter, but it is the first time that he has seemingly been willing to pursue the matter at all. It would therefore seem that referencing the RYA and the above paragraph is key.
I've no idea, that's for the politicians to answer.So why are millions/billions (?) being spent on trying to negotiate a deal then?
this was the rule,rather than the exception in most of the world for ALL crew joining ANY vessel up untill about 20 years ago.
Arriving at a port of entry to clear customs,health and immigration is pretty standard practise world wide as is getting a"coast wise" clearance,,or applying for a cruising permit for movements within the country's borders on any vessel,irrespective of being private or commercial.Presumably the way this works is that you must arrive at a port of entry and then not stray too far from the boat?
The UK haven't offered a 6 month stay to the EU, they've agreed it!
To clarify:
EU > UK = 180/360
UK > EU = 90/180
For the future, what is to stop a system, by which Brit's passports are date stamped entering the Schengen Zone and inspected and stamped on departure. If you have overstayed your welcome (183 days in 365), big slap on wrist and possibly a sanction.
When entering our host country, we residents would present our biometric residency permits...
It may be a virtual stamp, i.e. being recorded on the Schengen database, rather than a physical stamp.I think that there is still a misunderstanding here. We (British passport holders) will NOT get 183 days in 365. We will get 90/180. That is the problem! Passports will of course need to be stamped on entry and exit - I'm not sure that anyone is doubting that.
Do you have to record it every time it happens?That's me sorted then!
I still have my Seaman's .... discharge Book.
I think that there is still a misunderstanding here. We (British passport holders) will NOT get 183 days in 365. We will get 90/180. That is the problem! Passports will of course need to be stamped on entry and exit - I'm not sure that anyone is doubting that.
No misunderstanding here. Fully understand the Schengen Rules so yes, as things stand, you Brits will get 90/180 days max in the EU. But you yourself, stated that the UK will give EU residents 180/360 days so just postulating the EU may reciprocate. Clearly the current situation, were it to persist would be anything but a level playing field. Possibly more persuasive, lack of British travellers will damage local economies - what no camper-vans in Portugal during the winter months? ?
As to stamping passports, courtesy of Graham's research, we have a categoric statement that we residents will not have our passports stamped by our host country. Elsewhere, who knows, but yes I think it is likely when you join the aliens' queue, your passport will be date stamped.
Regretfully I think that there is a danger of muddying the waters again here. The 90/180 issue has nothing to do with residency elsewhere (outside of the UK). As has been pointed out before, that is a bonus/solution to some, and of no help whatsoever to others.
With respect, the 90/180 day Schengen Rule applies to all aliens in the EU. Which is why I make no apology for busting a gut to try and talk Brits into getting residency, wherever possible (There is still just time.) If your residency appears to be going tits up, you can immediately revoke it, so for Brits, it really is a win-win situation, or is that having you cake and eating it.
My apologies if I've misunderstood your meaning/intentions above. I'm not trying to pick a fight!
Why is this STILL being discussed? The Schengen visa rules have been in existence since Schengen agreement existed. We knew we would be restricted in the same way as any other third country national 4 years ago. The only thing that was not certain when we voted in the referendum was the possibility of getting a "virtual" visa at the border rather than having to attend an EU embassy to be interviewed/assessed for a visa. Thank goodness we are at least spared that!