Sailing boat max 8m LOA. Bear with me

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I’m going to be looking for a new to me sailing boat. For all the usual reasons the max length is 8metres.
Now it seems to me that it’s a long, long time since any mainstream boatbuilders offered anything as small as this. So, any production yacht that meets the size criterion is going to be really quite old. Late 90s maybe, more likely 1980s or older. I have no problem with this in principal but …… it seems to me that most 25- 26 footers of this age are kind of down on their luck with old sails, engines, upholstery, headlining, electrics, instruments. I understand why, and I think there are a few honourable exceptions but not many. I know that all this can be replaced, repaired etc, but that takes time effort and money and I don’t have a lot of any of those.

the boat will be used for limited cruising on the South Coast, maybe cross channel, all very tame. I’d like a little bit of comfort, reasonable berths for 2, a loo, a cooker. A table. I’m 5’10” so reasonable headroom say 5’6”.

So, I’m thinking what about a wooden boat? In contrast to old GRP yachts, it’s not unusual to find a wooden boat that has been rebuilt, restored, updated and is generally fresher than most MABs. Plenty that have had major restoration in the past 10 years with many of the items listed above having been replaced. For example there are a couple of Stellas on the market, well under £10k. I haven’t inspected them but you see my point? There was a gorgeous little Harrison Butler ( too small but lovely) that had been comprehensively reconstructed, again for very little money. Sold, unsurprisingly.
Am I missing a rich vein of 26 footers in good condition? Or am I just trying to justify a prejudice in favour of timber construction?
 

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I would think there are plenty of decent 26 footers about, it just depends on how they are looked after. Plenty of duds about too, so its how you choose.

The advantage of GRP is that it does not rot. Wooden boat owners spent much of there time repairing deck and hull, as wooden ships were not necessarily meant to last (ie it will empty your pocket and reduce your cruising time). No reason to believe that the cabin etc of the wooden boat would be easier to keep good than a GRP one. Classic wooden boats are usually low headroomed, narrow gutted and cramped compared with post 1980 modern boats

Any boat you buy at a fair price will cost £5k to £10k to get to your satisfaction - sails, rigging, chartplotter, and quite possibly engine - thats yachting for you
 

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You don't say budget but I guess somewhere around £20k maximum, partly because it is rare that older boats of that size sell for more than that. My immediate thought was a Vertue. These 2 look promising, one wood, one GRP.
woodenships.co.uk/sailing-yacht/laurent-giles-vertue-9/
yachtworld.co.uk/yacht/1986-vertue-vertue-ii-8563310/

Suspect the GRP one may be more tired as the asking price is low compared with what good GRP ones have gone for in the past.

In practical terms this type of boat meets your requirements, but you will find them and similar like HBs, Folkboats, Chevertons, smaller Buchanan. Scods etc very cramped compared with similar size GRP boats like, say a Sadler 26. Condition is a lottery - most wood boats of the 50 through 70s of this size were built to a price and quickly fell in value when GRP came in. As a result many were run on a shoestring and not well maintained so you get a cycle of periodic refit jobs to keep the boat going until it gets sold on possibly followed by a period of neglect and they become virtually a running refit project. The odd one, though like the wood Vertue seems to be, were built to a high standard and have been regularly used and maintained with probably a major refit (new engine, sails, hardware, electronics etc. However they rarely come on the market until the owner has had his money's worth and although sound everything "new" is 15-20 years old.

My experience of over 30 years of owning a wood boat of this size is that once you get it up to scratch and you don't have any leaks coming in through the top (deck and coachroof) maintenance is not too demanding providing you don't let it lapse even for a year. Best investment is a winter cover, tailored to cover down to at least guardrail height but better gunwhale. The first half of my ownership I hauled out every year, dropped the mast an covered with a tarp over frames with the mast as a ridge. Latterly she was kept afloat all year and a cover in 2 parts down to guard wire. finishes were chosen for durability rather than looks, but all the external brightwork was Woodskin and mast Sikkens both of which lasted several years between complete strip and recoat.

Which route you go will depend in part on what you find available and your level of long term commitment
 

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I don’t think that any sane person would buy an old wooden boat for reasons of comfort, practicality, easy maintenance or low cost of ownership. Or whatever. So the fact is that if you fancy a wooden boat then you must buy with your heart not your head. And if you do fancy one, the you should of course scratch the itch.
 

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I don’t think that any sane person would buy an old wooden boat for reasons of comfort, practicality, easy maintenance or low cost of ownership. Or whatever. So the fact is that if you fancy a wooden boat then you must buy with your heart not your head. And if you do fancy one, the you should of course scratch the itch.
Think of it like a historical preservation charity, and all will be fine.
 

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Maybe buy a wooden sailing dinghy to start with and spend a few winters in the garage stripping down sanding,varnishing and see if you enjoy before moving on to a wooden yacht. Many old club boats out there to learn on and enjoy in winter and keep on a club buoy in the harbour in the summer .
 

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I’m glad other people take on wooden boats, restore and maintain them so I can’t sit on my plastic boat and enjoy looking at them.

There’s been a few wooden boats at our club that quite quickly turned into firewood when purchased by skint/tight sailors.
 

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I’m going to be looking for a new to me sailing boat. For all the usual reasons the max length is 8metres.
Now it seems to me that it’s a long, long time since any mainstream boatbuilders offered anything as small as this. So, any production yacht that meets the size criterion is going to be really quite old. Late 90s maybe, more likely 1980s or older. I have no problem with this in principal but …… it seems to me that most 25- 26 footers of this age are kind of down on their luck with old sails, engines, upholstery, headlining, electrics, instruments. I understand why, and I think there are a few honourable exceptions but not many. I know that all this can be replaced, repaired etc, but that takes time effort and money and I don’t have a lot of any of those.

the boat will be used for limited cruising on the South Coast, maybe cross channel, all very tame. I’d like a little bit of comfort, reasonable berths for 2, a loo, a cooker. A table. I’m 5’10” so reasonable headroom say 5’6”.

So, I’m thinking what about a wooden boat? In contrast to old GRP yachts, it’s not unusual to find a wooden boat that has been rebuilt, restored, updated and is generally fresher than most MABs. Plenty that have had major restoration in the past 10 years with many of the items listed above having been replaced. For example there are a couple of Stellas on the market, well under £10k. I haven’t inspected them but you see my point? There was a gorgeous little Harrison Butler ( too small but lovely) that had been comprehensively reconstructed, again for very little money. Sold, unsurprisingly.
Am I missing a rich vein of 26 footers in good condition? Or am I just trying to justify a prejudice in favour of timber construction?

A Sadler 26 would suit and have far less potential for hidden disasters.

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I would love one of those Seascape Beneteau Firsts. But they are too expensive for me and I don’t honestly think that me and My wife would really get the best out of the boat. Plus there’s a waiting list.
my budget I guess up to £30.
I hadn’t thought about the Jeanneau 25. And is a Sadler 26 really more roomy than say a Stella? Genuine question. I guess I should go and look at a few…I don’t think I really want a Vertue, not for weekends in the Solent.
 

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Yes to the Sadler. Extra beam, higher topsides. Stellas are really tiny inside and will eat you out of house and home. Never intended for serious cruising. Lightly built and fine for active racing with owner/crew who keep on top of them.

The GRP Folkboat derivatives like the Halcyon 27, Contessa 26, International Folkboat are more roomy than the wood equivalents. the reason i mentioned the Vertue is because it is this sort of cult boat that people really do spend money on keeping up to scratch. Most old small boats, particularly wooden are in the bargain basement category.

The Hunters are a good suggestion as are Parkers and the related Super Seals. Your 8m limit is restrictive. Go up to 27/28@ and a much greater choice, at least for "cruisy" type boats rather than those derived from racing origins like the quarter tonners.
 
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