Howardp
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I don't know when you obtained your above 10m ICC's but my understanding is that the current over 10m ICC doesn't specify a length and the 24m issue relates to other stuff like manning and so on.
RYA Level 2 Powerboat - only up to 10m?
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billskip
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I don't know where you obtained your understanding, it would seem to me that you haven't/don't understand the ICC.
Yes you are correct that a new issue ICC
For up to 24 mtrs may not state the length but that's because it's unnecessary. It doesn't mean the ICC and length are not related.
My old ICC was for up to 24 mtrs and 200gt. Those issued with the above conditions remain valid on renewal if original ICC conform to reg 40.
Today a newly acquired qualification would be accepted for an ICC up to 10?mtrs or if the qualification was acceptable up to 24mtrs but only 80gt.
The above is my understanding..(.I've been known to be wrong)
24mtrs and above (and 80? 200?gt) requires another qualification which then does not req an ICC as the qualification is acceptable in itself.
So the ICC in itself is determining length ie stated up to 10mts or nothing stated indicating up to 24mtrs.
...I think
jrudge
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Bear in mind that a boat in the U.K. registry under 24m has no licence requirements at all.
Your insurer may ask for it. If you rent you will need to produce one. If your boat is overseas and an official wants to see a licence ( that if your own boat you don't require ) you can produce one but for your own uk reg boat you don't need a thing.
You marine may ( will ) ask for insurance but the law does not.
So for those saying then must get a icc unless you are looking to rent you don't need one. Training is good but not a requirement.
Your insurer may ask for it. If you rent you will need to produce one. If your boat is overseas and an official wants to see a licence ( that if your own boat you don't require ) you can produce one but for your own uk reg boat you don't need a thing.
You marine may ( will ) ask for insurance but the law does not.
So for those saying then must get a icc unless you are looking to rent you don't need one. Training is good but not a requirement.
Alicatt
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My boat is Belgian registered and as it can go faster than 20km/h then I do need a licence, I looked at the course notes for the Belgian "Algemeen stuurbrevet voor pleasurvaart" (General steering licence for pleasure craft) but the Dutch language in it is still a bit too advanced for myself, so, as a Brit I have gone down the RYA's ICC route which I have been able to find locally in Belgium.
For the Day Skipper theory the training schools around here are charging the same figure but in € so it is knocking off quite a bit in the cost of doing the courses, for the practical then that may have to be done when I return to Scotland as the practical is eyewatering compared with what is being charged in the UK
For the Day Skipper theory the training schools around here are charging the same figure but in € so it is knocking off quite a bit in the cost of doing the courses, for the practical then that may have to be done when I return to Scotland as the practical is eyewatering compared with what is being charged in the UK
ingenious
RIP
Understand that but as the original poster of this thread, I am going to be using my boat in the south of France so need ICC/ CEVNI
petem
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Easiest solution is an independent ICC assessment. No pre-requisites, can be done on own boat in a day and providing you know roughly what you're dping most assessor will be keen to pass you.
st599
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Because the UK decided to put it there.
The ICC resolution has no mention of length or weights. https://unece.org/DAM/trans/doc/2015/sc3wp3/ECE-TRANS-SC3-147r4e.pdf
24m is the length the MCA allow before all the strict manning requirements, pollution controls etc. kick in.
10m is the RYA's cut-off for PB2.
Other UK ICC providers seem to follow suit, but if you look at say Germany, the ICC covers up to 20m at sea and 15m on the Rhine.
Alicatt
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Here in Belgium it is a 20m cut off for pleasure boats and in The Netherlands it is a lot more complicated between small boats, normal boats, big boats, and fast or slow boats in those categories
jrudge
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I have one and my boat is in France but I don't need one.
My purpose in having one ( well more specifically renewing it ) is to keep an official happy if he asked for a licence. In 15 years no ones has asked.
I simply don't wish to risk an " I don't need one " discussion with them. But I don't !
The rya get £40 off me every 5 years !
billskip
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I fail to understand your point....
It's possible that a skipper of a boat will be asked for a document stating his/hers proficiency that's what the RYA ICC is it's not a qualification.
If as you say "the UK decided to put it there" fair enough, that indicates to me it's relevant.
When in a forign port I think it's surely best to present the documents that will satisfy the officials for me.
Anyone else can rock up and argue that st599 on ybw knows best if they so choose.
billskip
Well-Known Member
Exactly....
Alicatt
Well-Known Member
It's €75 the Belgians want for the pleasure sailing ICC
There are a few options, the ones at the top are for leisure sailing.
I = Inland waters
C = Coastal/sea
M = Motor
S =Sail
Beperkt = limited
Algemeen = General
Yachtman = Coastal Skipper
Yachtnavigator = Yachtmaster Ocean
The rest are for commercial skippers/officers
st599
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You asked why your ICC said 24m - the answer is it's a UK requirement.
billskip
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Aha, Howardp said " 24m has nothing to do with ICC." You maybe need to tell Howardp.
