Cornishman
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Re: Yes but
There's no 'a' in independent, either! Not unless you are going to swing for it
There's no 'a' in independent, either! Not unless you are going to swing for it
RYA ARROGANCE
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Fergie
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CORNISHMAN
Im supprised you mention the FA it it was in the news all last year,and rugby, what brought about league and union then, anarchist NOT, PI**ED OFF YES. As for havoc I mean walk it don't TALK IT. (with all due respect)
Im supprised you mention the FA it it was in the news all last year,and rugby, what brought about league and union then, anarchist NOT, PI**ED OFF YES. As for havoc I mean walk it don't TALK IT. (with all due respect)
jimi
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<font color=purple>Tell us what you're moaning about .. we've all missed the point</font color=purple>
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Fergie
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Cornishman
What Im trying to do is keep this country FREE
What Im trying to do is keep this country FREE
ccscott49
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Re: Yes but
Oh! terribly sorry teacher! Lets not get onto spelling mistakes, please?
Oh! terribly sorry teacher! Lets not get onto spelling mistakes, please?
Fergie
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Jimi only you have missed the point
Fergie
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ccscott49
Thank's mate
Thank's mate
nicho
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No! - NOT only Jimi has, I too am really lost as to what your specific gripe is with the RYA?
ccscott49
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Look down the forum, just a few threads, then you may see a bit of a ding dong going on about the RYA and the IYT, that may, just may have something to do with it. But I'm out of here, I can see nothing but blood and guts and veins in my teeth from here on in!
Fergie
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All that Iv said and you still dont understand
Fergie
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Re: Sorry, I just can\'t tell
The RYA BUMMING THE MCA to get us licenced
The RYA BUMMING THE MCA to get us licenced
nicho
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Re: Sorry, I just can\'t tell
Now I get it - slow as always. I've said on many an occasion, I cannot see why anyone should object having to have at least a modicum of training before being let loose on the sea.
I know the beef about this being the 'thin end of the wedge' etc, but I cannot see why people object - they have to do it if they want to race cars, ride motorcycles, fly planes, drive HGV's etc so why not boats?.
As for the RYA, I don't really give a stuff - they don't seem to do much for the 'ordinary' cruising yachtsman as far as I can see.......
Now I get it - slow as always. I've said on many an occasion, I cannot see why anyone should object having to have at least a modicum of training before being let loose on the sea.
I know the beef about this being the 'thin end of the wedge' etc, but I cannot see why people object - they have to do it if they want to race cars, ride motorcycles, fly planes, drive HGV's etc so why not boats?.
As for the RYA, I don't really give a stuff - they don't seem to do much for the 'ordinary' cruising yachtsman as far as I can see.......
Peppermint
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The RYA are filling a vacume
We, cruising yotties, are a pretty independant bunch. Much easier for them to represent clubs and olympic racing.
RORC or the CA do a better job of addressing the specific needs of smaller groups while the RYA claim the rest of us for their powerbase without representing us at all. I joined the RYA to support our olympic effort, I have been amazed at how poor they are at communicating with members and how ineffectual they are. They've got the "new truth" of pat though. They're forever lionising themselves and showing reverses and nil gains as triumphs.
Look at the Dibden Bay fiasco.
How many individual members do they have?
We, cruising yotties, are a pretty independant bunch. Much easier for them to represent clubs and olympic racing.
RORC or the CA do a better job of addressing the specific needs of smaller groups while the RYA claim the rest of us for their powerbase without representing us at all. I joined the RYA to support our olympic effort, I have been amazed at how poor they are at communicating with members and how ineffectual they are. They've got the "new truth" of pat though. They're forever lionising themselves and showing reverses and nil gains as triumphs.
Look at the Dibden Bay fiasco.
How many individual members do they have?
FlyingSpud
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Re: Sorry, I just can\'t tell
And your havoc will force them to change their mind? Lead me through a possible scenario where this would work, as I have trouble seeing one
And your havoc will force them to change their mind? Lead me through a possible scenario where this would work, as I have trouble seeing one
claymore
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The RYA is the National Governing Body for the range of water activities that it covers.
It is a well and transparently structured and managed organisation. It runs a sailing award scheme that is currently under threat from a private sector organisation (non British?)
I cannot think why it would wish to engage in dialogue with a competitor and I cannot think why British sailors would want it to. Perhaps your obvious anger would be better channelled into a productive and positive outcome by first focussing on what it is that is really annoying you - then addressing that issue with Rod Carr or James Stevens - as a member - and they would certainly honour you with a reasoned and personal response.
If you are not a member - then obviously it is no real concern of yours what they get up to - but if you are - don't take the easy way and just resign - communicate with them.
Or have you already? Your response to that specific point I would appreciate.
regards
Claymore
It is a well and transparently structured and managed organisation. It runs a sailing award scheme that is currently under threat from a private sector organisation (non British?)
I cannot think why it would wish to engage in dialogue with a competitor and I cannot think why British sailors would want it to. Perhaps your obvious anger would be better channelled into a productive and positive outcome by first focussing on what it is that is really annoying you - then addressing that issue with Rod Carr or James Stevens - as a member - and they would certainly honour you with a reasoned and personal response.
If you are not a member - then obviously it is no real concern of yours what they get up to - but if you are - don't take the easy way and just resign - communicate with them.
Or have you already? Your response to that specific point I would appreciate.
regards
Claymore
Fergie
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Claymore
YOU have obviously got RYA stickers all over your CAR,BOAT,AND EVERY PAIR OF UNDERPANTS YOU OWN. But let's calm down a bit, The water activities it supports
it selects it's self,and what is transprent about them, you cant even interact with there website without PAYING, A real treat for a young say 9-10year old that would like to do a bit of research about sailing, let alone gain one of there so called AWARDS.If you do your research you will find that one of the founders of the IYT is british.
WHAT is the matter with competion and the private sector,where have you been since Mr Blair got in, I think you have like the RYA got your head well, and truly stuck up your anus, let alone as one member politly put it stuck in the sand.
And as for talking to Stevens,Carr, and (nobby) Clark, THE IYT TRIED THAT.
Finaly as for not being any concern of mine,any thing that poses to alter the freedom I enjoy in owning and sailing my boat IS MY CONCERN.
I realy think you'v got a TWIST IN YOUR REEF MATE
respect (Fergie)
<font color=red>Fergie, a polite reminder about the forums Ts and Cs; you don't need to abuse members (or for that matter other people in your gunsights) to make your point. I've not deleted anything in this thread but please back off a notch in the interests of the great majority of people who I am sure want to follow the debate without feeling they have entered a room with sawdust on the floor - Kim (ybw.com admin)</font color=red>
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YOU have obviously got RYA stickers all over your CAR,BOAT,AND EVERY PAIR OF UNDERPANTS YOU OWN. But let's calm down a bit, The water activities it supports
it selects it's self,and what is transprent about them, you cant even interact with there website without PAYING, A real treat for a young say 9-10year old that would like to do a bit of research about sailing, let alone gain one of there so called AWARDS.If you do your research you will find that one of the founders of the IYT is british.
WHAT is the matter with competion and the private sector,where have you been since Mr Blair got in, I think you have like the RYA got your head well, and truly stuck up your anus, let alone as one member politly put it stuck in the sand.
And as for talking to Stevens,Carr, and (nobby) Clark, THE IYT TRIED THAT.
Finaly as for not being any concern of mine,any thing that poses to alter the freedom I enjoy in owning and sailing my boat IS MY CONCERN.
I realy think you'v got a TWIST IN YOUR REEF MATE
respect (Fergie)
<font color=red>Fergie, a polite reminder about the forums Ts and Cs; you don't need to abuse members (or for that matter other people in your gunsights) to make your point. I've not deleted anything in this thread but please back off a notch in the interests of the great majority of people who I am sure want to follow the debate without feeling they have entered a room with sawdust on the floor - Kim (ybw.com admin)</font color=red>
<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1>Edited by kimhollamby on 20/12/2002 09:03 (server time).</FONT></P>
Fergie
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Re: Sorry, I just can\'t tell
Flyingspud
LEARN from the French, Spanish, ect oooooooo And buy some Glasses
Flyingspud
LEARN from the French, Spanish, ect oooooooo And buy some Glasses
Celena
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It is true to say that the RYA claim to represent everone that uses the sea (and lakes) for pleasure from jetskis to 70' Sunseekers. I cannot see how they can do that. They don't represent me; I don't even agree with some of their views. I think they make this claim so that it give them more clout with QANGO's and the like. It would be interesting to see how many personal yachting members they have compared to the total membership. (I suspect they'd have to remove 'yacht' from their name!). Join the CA!
c4pt
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Just a few thoughts. I'm a member of the Britsh Canoe Union not because I wanted to be but because I had to be. The reason being was that I wanted to take my Scout troop up the Lancaster canal (not the Orinoko) in Kayaks.That was 2 yrs ago I'm now quailified to do it. The root cause behind this was the lyme bay incedent. With the ever present fear of Litigation insurance companies, association, youth movements plus everybody else and his / her dog now demands a "COMPETENT PERSON" to be in charge . This has even reached the level of a group of friends messing about on the river as an informal fun day. Disaster struck and somebody got sued!. The same thing applies with sailing. I bet the first question on my insurance form will be any qualifications. The RYA have sold themselves to all the people wanting our money, but not to the likes of you and I. Its all about "voice" and individuals are not heard. If the individual wants to change things then we have to band together. Correct me if I'm wrong but is'nt that how the RYA started.
There does'nt appear to be an easy answer, as always everyone will cover there own back. For me just starting out with a 30 yr old cruiser on a non existant budget I won't be rushing to join them like you I just want to sail in a simple uncomplicated way. Should the worst happen then I'll change to being A fully fledged couch potato, and nodoubt somebody will start an association and qualification ladder for that as well! Anyway have good Christmas and New Year, Cheers ALL
There does'nt appear to be an easy answer, as always everyone will cover there own back. For me just starting out with a 30 yr old cruiser on a non existant budget I won't be rushing to join them like you I just want to sail in a simple uncomplicated way. Should the worst happen then I'll change to being A fully fledged couch potato, and nodoubt somebody will start an association and qualification ladder for that as well! Anyway have good Christmas and New Year, Cheers ALL
ponapay
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The RYA is needed but..
not as the sole abiter of how to do... or what to do.. but in conjunction with MCA and IYT as an examiner to a standard set by the MCA.
The CA and the RYA togther should discuss the needs with, the MCA and the standards to be used.
My belief is that ALL boaters should have some basic qualification before they are allowed to be in charge of anyone else at sea (or on a river). There should be many levels of qualification and all MUST be meaningful.
The PADI qualification works well and is accepted why not the same for our sport?
not as the sole abiter of how to do... or what to do.. but in conjunction with MCA and IYT as an examiner to a standard set by the MCA.
The CA and the RYA togther should discuss the needs with, the MCA and the standards to be used.
My belief is that ALL boaters should have some basic qualification before they are allowed to be in charge of anyone else at sea (or on a river). There should be many levels of qualification and all MUST be meaningful.
The PADI qualification works well and is accepted why not the same for our sport?
