Rocna Anchors acquired by Canada Metal Pacific

[Letterman]

I'm still waiting for someone to email me all of this "evidence" against Rocna, so that I can cross-match what I (hope to) receive with what I actually have. My media contacts will also be very, very interested in receiving this information, and I will pass it along to them as soon as I have it.

Maybe Neeves could send it to me?

 

[Letterman]

EVM - patience please.

 

[toad_oftoadhall]

have you not read any of Neeves' posts ?

Better than that I've read Neeves' article.

 

[Rigger Mortice]

I'm still waiting for someone to email me all of this "evidence" against Rocna, ?

Read all the effing threads on this and other boaty sites. Don't expect others to do your work for you.

 

[Storyline]

Better than that I've read Neeves' article.

Have you ?

Just how does what Neeves has said fit with this statement of yours ?

Either way it suggests all is well with Rocna ..... AFAIK the only evidence we ever had that it wasn't was King's word.

!

 

[toad_oftoadhall]

You are now making assumptions about their warranty claims without any evidence at all....absolutely none.

Rocna *say* their warranty claims didn't go up.

The only evidence that Rocna were lying about that was King's word which I gave significant credibility to because everyone seemed to agree that King had been a realiable source of information before.

It is now clear King is NOT a reliable source of information.

As you will know, warranty returns cost a fortune and companies fear them like nothing else. I would guess that any savings on metal would to dwarfed by increased warranty returns *if* quality dropped to any degree. Yes, that's a guess. But it's consistent with what Rocna say and I've seen no contradictory evidence. Guesses can be wrong of course. Perhaps you have evidence otherwise?

 

[evm1024]

I'm still waiting for someone to email me all of this "evidence" against Rocna, so that I can cross-match what I (hope to) receive with what I actually have. My media contacts will also be very, very interested in receiving this information, and I will pass it along to them as soon as I have it.

Maybe Neeves could send it to me?

To what use do you expect to use the "evidence". This list does not owe you anything. Quite the opposite I would say. You owe the list a presentation of the significant data that you have relating to the safety of Rocna anchors. And civility in your postings.

SHould you get more info on Rocna anchors I would like to see it. Should get more "dirt" on Grant I would like to see a posting pointing to where you put that data on your site.

Regards

 

[toad_oftoadhall]

Have you ?
Just how does what Neeves has said fit with this statement of yours ?

I don't think Neeves article conflicts with that statement at all. Do you?

 

[toad_oftoadhall]

To what use do you expect to use the "evidence".

Errr, to work out what the truth is. That's what evidence is for!

HTH.

 

[smackdaddy]

We disagree on what you would have us think about Grant King.

What is that exactly? And what is your counter to it?

 

[evm1024]

What is a reliable source of information?

Should we discard a Mafia killer who decides to go states evidence because he is a nasty person? No we don't discard it, we check it and use it to further our understanding.

An information source is not all or nothing. Each of us here have our own motives and skeletons. Some more than others.

Regards

 

[toad_oftoadhall]

Read all the effing threads on this and other boaty sites. Don't expect others to do your work for you.

LOL! You haven't got any evidence, have you? You had the unsubstantiated word of a man who has spent his whole life lying.

Now someone asks for the evidence you have to cover with the fig leaf of evasion.

 

[Conachair]

I suspect that you are not really interested in the Rocna issue and are driven by a desire to discredit GK rather than to genuinely contribute to the Rocna debate.

Now change a few letters and that could perfectly well apply to GK's input on these forums to the whole mess.

Anyway, is it possible to discredit GK any more?

 

[toad_oftoadhall]

Should we discard a Mafia killer who decides to go states evidence because he is a nasty person? No we don't discard it, we check it and use it to further our understanding.

That's the problem. Because everyone trusted him nobody thought to ask for evidence. Now we arrive at a point where we want to verify his words, we find that he offered no way to verify 90pc of what he said.

And we didn't notice.

Smoke and mirrors confidence trick and we were the marks.

 

[Rigger Mortice]

Rocna *say* their warranty claims didn't go up.

The only evidence that Rocna were lying about that was King's word which I gave significant credibility to because everyone seemed to agree that King had been a realiable source of information before.

It is now clear King is NOT a reliable source of information.

As you will know, warranty returns cost a fortune and companies fear them like nothing else. I would guess that any savings on metal would to dwarfed by increased warranty returns *if* quality dropped to any degree. Yes, that's a guess. But it's consistent with what Rocna say and I've seen no contradictory evidence. Guesses can be wrong of course. Perhaps you have evidence otherwise?

Cough! splutter! Gasp!
You're not seriously saying that Rocna's word can be taken seriously are you?
You have seen the track record of the Bambury's?

As for the idea that companies fear warranty claims like nothing else...I suppose that you can exagerate to make a minor point, but it is nonsense.

If you stopped the guess work and fantasy and stuck to facts it would be helpful.

 

[dt4134]

I wonder if this thread could be condensed to product a script for a soap opera or even a full length feature file.

Of course you'd have to change the title as "Rocna Anchors acquired by Canada Metal Pacific" just wouldn't roll off the tongue. Maybe the Rocna Story, or even better call it the Ancor Story and have a disclaimer saying any resemblance to any anchor set, dragging or weighed is entirely coincidental.

You might have to bring in material from earlier threads, perhaps with a character that coincidentally resembles Craig Smith antagonising the yachting community.

I reckon you'd have to spice that bit up as well. No good showing shots of irritated forumites typing at a keyboard, not even if you pan in and show they are typing in capitals!

How about you start with the character coincidentally resembling Craig Smith being thrown out of a quayside pub AGAIN after having started a brawl over his father's anchor ...

...and then take it from there.

 

[toad_oftoadhall]

If you stopped the guess work and fantasy and stuck to facts it would be helpful.

You were asked to provide facts and you got stroppy about it! Guessing sucks, but I would *guess* that's because you have no facts for 90pc of what we've taken for Granted (geddit).

 

[Rigger Mortice]

LOL! You haven't got any evidence, have you? You had the unsubstantiated word of a man who has spent his whole life lying.

Now someone asks for the evidence you have to cover with the fig leaf of evasion.

Delfin. Rocna's admission. Neeves reports. Photo's. Manson. Sarca. Fortress.
You have read the threads?

What is it with you people who can't be arsed to read the information and simply expect others to compile it for you? Only a few posts ago you were asking that somebody should collate everything for you. Now Letterman is asking the same. Are you not able to read?

 

[smackdaddy]

I wonder if this thread could be condensed to product a script for a soap opera or even a full length feature file.

Of course you'd have to change the title as "Rocna Anchors acquired by Canada Metal Pacific" just wouldn't roll off the tongue. Maybe the Rocna Story, or even better call it the Ancor Story and have a disclaimer saying any resemblance to any anchor set, dragging or weighed is entirely coincidental.

You might have to bring in material from earlier threads, perhaps with a character that coincidentally resembles Craig Smith antagonising the yachting community.

I reckon you'd have to spice that bit up as well. No good showing shots of irritated forumites typing at a keyboard, not even if you pan in and show they are typing in capitals!

How about you start with the character coincidentally resembling Craig Smith being thrown out of a quayside pub AGAIN after having started a brawl over his father's anchor ...

...and then take it from there.

Yeah - but it'd really have to be a musical.

 

[evm1024]

What is that exactly? And what is your counter to it?

I have no counter - none is needed.

Steve's (Letterman) reason for posting in this thread is not to further our understanding of what happened with Rocna anchors and the various players involved.

It appears that his reason is to discredit Grant King as much as possible. Further it appears that Steve is intent on heaping as much trouble on Grant King as he can and it appears to be based on Grant's dealings with him.

It appears that Grant King is a [removed] and that we need to weigh his posts carefully. THis does not remove the truthful data that may be in his posts.

I resent that the thread has been hijacked into a smear job against Grant King no matter how deserved it may be.

Perhaps Steve can tell us what his motives are for posting here. Possible answers are:

1) I worry that you folks do not know who Grant is and may make a wrong choice RE anchors.
2) I hate Grant for what he did to me and my family. I can't get satisfaction in the courts so I am intending to destroy his life anywhere and everywhere.
3) something else

Regards