restart the search for missing crew petition.

[Alfie168]

Signed

 

[tigr]

signed and shared. Wish we coud do more

 

[ChiPete]

Signed.

Re the PLBs, I also have two on board. Surely even a short transmission before failure of say, unit 1, would render a position fix for SAR?

Following up with the firing of unit 2 after unit 1 fails would surely only enhance the first fix and confirm a projected set and drift for SAR area? Or am I a victim of marketing for these devices?

 

[PetiteFleur]

Signed.

 

[maby]

Signed.

Re the PLBs, I also have two on board. Surely even a short transmission before failure of say, unit 1, would render a position fix for SAR?

Following up with the firing of unit 2 after unit 1 fails would surely only enhance the first fix and confirm a projected set and drift for SAR area? Or am I a victim of marketing for these devices?

I think everything we are seeing is consistent with the USCG having got a good fix - they say that they searched 4000 square miles of sea - sounds like a lot, but do the sums - it's just over 60 miles square. They knew pretty well where the yacht went down and searched the area to their satisfaction. If they had not had a fix that they trusted, they would still be looking.

 

[Dipper]

Signed.

 

[ChiPete]

I think everything we are seeing is consistent with the USCG having got a good fix - they say that they searched 4000 square miles of sea - sounds like a lot, but do the sums - it's just over 60 miles square. They knew pretty well where the yacht went down and searched the area to their satisfaction. If they had not had a fix that they trusted, they would still be looking.

Good point, thanks Maby. Given efforts expended, and still being expended for other SAR operations, the stand-down does seem to have been ordered with, dare I say it, undue haste...

 

[Robin]

Came late to this sad story, have just signed up but I'm afraid have little respect for USCG SAR competence or rescue ability compared to that of the UK or the Aussies. the USCG are more interested in hunting out potential terrorists or checking for serious rule infringements like not locking the y-valve on the heads to the holding tank position once just a yard back inside their 3 mile limit. (local Florida boat fined when returning from Bahamas and in boisterous weaather 'forgot to replace the cable ties in time, even though the valve was in the correctclosed position) .

Hopefully they will prove my cynicism wrong

 

[JumbleDuck]

Came late to this sad story, have just signed up but I'm afraid have little respect for USCG SAR competence or rescue ability compared to that of the UK or the Aussies. the USCG are more interested in hunting out potential terrorists or checking for serious rule infringements like not locking the y-valve on the heads to the holding tank position once just a yard back inside their 3 mile limit. (local Florida boat fined when returning from Bahamas and in boisterous weaather 'forgot to replace the cable ties in time, even though the valve was in the correctclosed position).

They had three aircraft and three ships searching the area for two days.

 

[scottie]

+1

 

[Huff]

Signed ,don't forget to spread the word on Facebook. I hope there is a good outcome for the four guys.

 

[smiler]

Signed

 

[chanelyacht]

Came late to this sad story, have just signed up but I'm afraid have little respect for USCG SAR competence or rescue ability compared to that of the UK or the Aussies. the USCG are more interested in hunting out potential terrorists or checking for serious rule infringements like not locking the y-valve on the heads to the holding tank position once just a yard back inside their 3 mile limit. (local Florida boat fined when returning from Bahamas and in boisterous weaather 'forgot to replace the cable ties in time, even though the valve was in the correctclosed position) .

Hopefully they will prove my cynicism wrong

I'm not going to get into second guessing my SAR colleagues over in the States, but without doubt, the SAR incidents I have passed to the USCG have been dealt with in a way that places them amongst the most professional SAR services in the world, certainly on a par with UK, Canada and Aus.

During one incident an aircraft heading for a known drug intercept was diverted to a SAR incident, so I don't think your assertion is correct.

 

[Deleted member 36384]

Signed.

Awful, so tragic.

 

[Robin]

I'm not going to get into second guessing my SAR colleagues over in the States, but without doubt, the SAR incidents I have passed to the USCG have been dealt with in a way that places them amongst the most professional SAR services in the world, certainly on a par with UK, Canada and Aus.

During one incident an aircraft heading for a known drug intercept was diverted to a SAR incident, so I don't think your assertion is correct.

Then I take it back, I got my opinion from watching their 'look at us we are heroes' videos continually broadcast on Discovery Channel plus tales from local boaters, and then there was the patronising way I was talked to by a junior jobsworth when I reported that a local half sunken houseboat was dragging it's anchor and drifting with the current towards the navigable channel, not to mention a nearby bridge. They eventually did send somebody to investigate, but by then the thing had sunk totally and subsequently took several days of diver activity with airbags and pumps to refloat and tow it away., but heck i'm just a stoopid landy and obviously know nothing and can be ignored..

i know if it were me I would far rather trust UK based SAR than USCG who are basically just another branch of the US military and with military minds and priorities.

 

[chanelyacht]

i know if it were me I would far rather trust UK based SAR than USCG who are basically just another branch of the US military and with military minds and priorities.

Much of the SAR planning the UK uses comes from the USCG, including the research which drives the survivabilty calculations. The SAR arm of USCG is very much SAR oriented, and their specialists don't get moved around into other areas.

They are every bit as professional as the UK - they just have access to resources we can only dream of

 

[Robin]

Much of the SAR planning the UK uses comes from the USCG, including the research which drives the survivabilty calculations. The SAR arm of USCG is very much SAR oriented, and their specialists don't get moved around into other areas.

They are every bit as professional as the UK - they just have access to resources we can only dream of

Good, just so long as they don't send a cruise missile in answer of a distress calls if I get into trouble.:ambivalence:

 

[Twister_Ken]

Much of the SAR planning the UK uses comes from the USCG, including the research which drives the survivabilty calculations.

So what does your survivability research tell you about the life expectancy of 4 fit guys, well equipped and supplied, in a liferaft in 60ºf temps?

20 hours, as the USCG seems to have concluded?

 

[Hornet_UK]

Signed and posted on FB!

 

[chanelyacht]

So what does your survivability research tell you about the life expectancy of 4 fit guys, well equipped and supplied, in a liferaft in 60ºf temps?

20 hours, as the USCG seems to have concluded?

As I said earlier, I'm not second guessing the USCG mission coordinator.