Request for help – Drugs Importation via Boats & Planes.

[DavidonMersea]

So after 40+ years of a 'war on drugs' which has been TOTALLY ineffective

How do you know the war on drugs has been Totally ineffective? If it were not for the war on drugs there might be two or three times as many drug addicts as there are to day.

You sound like a drug taker trying to find a justification for taking drugs

 

[westernman]

Why did it not go up when it was legally available? Does your info come from a biased druggy?

The reasons are complex. But it is widely documented. You can google it for yourself (otherwise you will accuse me of being selective).

 

[DavidonMersea]

The reasons are complex. But it is widely documented. You can google it for yourself (otherwise you will accuse me of being selective).

It is a basic fact of economics that if you reduce the price and/or make a product more widely available, you will sell more

 

[DownWest]

Why did it not go up when it was legally available? Does your info come from a biased druggy?

Not legally available, but not an offence to possess small quantities. Dealing still illegal.

 

[Biggles Wader]

How do you know the war on drugs has been Totally ineffective? If it were not for the war on drugs there might be two or three times as many drug addicts as there are to day.

You sound like a stupid drug taker trying to find a justification for taking drugs

Polite request-----Can you please keep that sort of comment for the lounge rather than the EC forum.

 

[Clancy Moped]

It is a basic fact of economics that if you reduce the price and/or make a product more widely available, you will sell more

From memory you don't drink, correct? If so, and the price of Gin comes down will you start to buy it?

 

[DavidonMersea]

From memory you don't drink, correct? If so, and the price of Gin comes down will you start to buy it?

Yes and No. but cheaper gin might make the temptation greater

 

[Pye_End]

It is a basic fact of economics that if you reduce the price and/or make a product more widely available, you will sell more

Drugs are part of organised crime. The gangs create (nasty) pressure on kids and others to deal. The 'industry' is well organised and 'marketing' well thought out, but a very dark place to be involved.

By taking the profit out of drugs there is much less incentive for organised criminals to work in that country - less profit but still risk of being caught. By bringing drugs 'in house' you have a chance to re-habilitate, and have a better understanding of who is doing what to whom. It might be counter intuitive that you legalise (whatever that means) something that you want to stamp out, but if you can get the whole system right, as it appears Portugal managed, then there is certainly a case for it. Is the UK capable of getting similar results?

 

[DavidonMersea]

Polite request-----Can you please keep that sort of comment for the lounge rather than the EC forum.

Sorry, now amended

 

[DavidonMersea]

By taking the profit out of drugs there is much less incentive for organised criminals to work in that country

That is true, but how do you take the profit out of drugs, unless you provide them free o the NHS

 

[westernman]

That is true, but how do you take the profit out of drugs, unless you provide them free o the NHS

You don't have to provide them for free. Just cheap enough so that drug dealers are no longer interested in the business.

 

[Aquaboy]

I do think these conversations rather pointless........

So here is a thought. Next time you're anchored somewhere this summer, maybe the backwaters or up the Deben I bet you anything there will be a perfectly respectable sailor within sight enjoying a quiet spliff before they turn in for the night... Maybe a couple even........ So is anything wrong with that? And no before anyone starts it won't be me!

 

[Pye_End]

If you Google long term effects of cannabis use, you might conclude it is not such a good idea - and this is just the lighter end of the drug scale.

 

[Kukri]

How do you know the war on drugs has been Totally ineffective? If it were not for the war on drugs there might be two or three times as many drug addicts as there are to day.

You sound like a drug taker trying to find a justification for taking drugs

Steady on. This isn’t the Lounge.

 

[Marmalade]

Legalisation: even if usage stays the same, or goes up slightly - doesn't crime and associated antisocial behaviour reduce? Don't you move crack dens into clinics? Do you remove the pressure on adicts to recruit more adicts?
I've no axe to grind, but I've always thought that those benefits alone would be valuable...

 

[DavidonMersea]

Legalisation: even if usage stays the same, or goes up slightly - doesn't crime and associated antisocial behaviour reduce?

Why would it?

 

[AntarcticPilot]

Why would it?

Because one of the main drivers of crime - certainly crime at the local level - is drugs.

 

[chrishscorp]

As a stupid drug taker I have tried...

A handful of Cigars
Alcohol in various forms
I was once in the front of a car when a passenger in the rear rolled a spliff, driver and I rolled down the front windows.

I had a school mate who joined the RAF and ended up doing weed, he was caught on a random drug test kicked out of the RAF and accomodation he and his partner ended up down in the SW. They got into more serious stuff and to make ends meet they bought drugs cut them then dealt them and he put her on the game, I have no idea if they are even still alive. Both from 'middle class' nice families who both blame each others kids for the unholy mess

My son works the doors on several bars and clubs on the south coast, a couple of festivals and Wembley, there is NO shortage of drugs. He caught 2 guys snorting coke in a toilet cubicle and told them to get their shit together and get out, thankfully the group of 9 blokes all trooped out quietly

I am about as anti drugs as you will get, it is a blight on our society.

 

[DavidonMersea]

As the US has found, banning doesn't work, so why not try an alternative?

This is the argument of the druggy who needs his fix.

How can they know that banning does not work? How do they know how much drug taking there would have been if it were not banned?

 

[DavidonMersea]

Because one of the main drivers of crime - certainly crime at the local level - is drugs.

I agree with you. Where did I say "Why would it?"