Raymarine pilot: sudden sharp turn

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to add to MartinJ comment, sorry I forgot to mention that when the pilot goes crazy there is a tiny beep from the command display, the same sound one ears when pushing Auto/Stdby/+10... etc
"Happily" there is a sound I should add, when my wife is out she screams "Robertooooooooo the pilot has beeped" and there we go like an AC boat at the starting line

the beep might mean that the pilot is receiving *an additional command* from the computer, rather than a simple routine instruction from the compass to keep a steady heading ?

That makes your symptoms identical to mine, fitted in 2007, perhaps they had a batch of faulty chips. The only good news I can report is that mine has functioned OK since they repaired it.
 

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Still intrigued... However much noise there is on NMEA, I would not have thought that any sentence could cause the unit to switch on..> Perhaps noise on the seatalk could create an 'on' message but we'd need to know more about the Seatalk sentences.

If you could switch the override funciton on/off via seatalk - would the unit beep?

Could the unit have a faulty button and it effectively shorting and the unit thinking the button has been pressed? Is it one button press to switch between override and back again? If the beeps only occur upon button presses then perhaps it is the switch unit and not the computer...
 

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Quandary - Did your display show 'Overdrive' as it beeped and took control?

My recollection is that it displayed different numbers with every beep which had nothing to do with the compass heading. I do not recall seeing 'Overdrive'. It beeped slowly but repeatedly as it does when showing an 'off course' error.
I tried the full calibration procedure several times and tried reducing the sensitivity etc. but this made no difference.
 

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Crash turns possible solution

On older course computers, there was apparently a problem sounding like yours, associated with the absence of a joystick controller. The fix, according the to the Raymariine chap I have been consulting, is to put a 10K resistor across grey and blue of the joystick connection.
 

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That makes your symptoms identical to mine, fitted in 2007, perhaps they had a batch of faulty chips. The only good news I can report is that mine has functioned OK since they repaired it.

Update,----- the bleeep bleeep thing is misbehaving again this summer. Intermittently( it works fine for hours some days) the display stops showing the correct course and steers of course. The info on the display last time was xte followed by two rows of dashes, most time it just shows a different course from that set and occasionally it says 'no data'. I have checked all the connections and reprogrammed half a dozen times.
Because Raymarine take so long to carry out repairs in summer nowadays and it usually still works long enough for sail changes etc. to be carried out I am not sending it back until autumn but I emailed the dealer to register the fault on the anniversary of the repair.
 

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Rudder transducer?

Could your rudder transducer be failing? Mine went at the beginning of last season and I noticed as the linear rudder angle display showed nothing and the result was the autopilot throwing the rudder over to full deflection as it tried to correct. £140 ish for a new transducer and about an hour to fix. Since then back to perfect operation.
 

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I have an ST4000, and have occasionally had a similar problem. However, I think I may have cracked my problem today, because the problem repeated itself in the same location - in the Solent, just off Lepe, where there are a lot of on-shore posts with yellow triangle and diamond topmarks - i.e. where the mains power cables run from the mainland to the IOW. I also had a similar glitch just south of the Fawley tanker jetty, where I know there's an underwater cable tunnel across Southampton Water from Fawley power station to Hamble.
So, no doubt in my mind, under water power cables cause a local magnetic anomaly that confuses the compass sender. If you get a similar problem, it would be interesting to know exactly where it happened.
 

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I have an ST4000, and have occasionally had a similar problem. However, I think I may have cracked my problem today, because the problem repeated itself in the same location - in the Solent, just off Lepe, where there are a lot of on-shore posts with yellow triangle and diamond topmarks - i.e. where the mains power cables run from the mainland to the IOW. I also had a similar glitch just south of the Fawley tanker jetty, where I know there's an underwater cable tunnel across Southampton Water from Fawley power station to Hamble.
So, no doubt in my mind, under water power cables cause a local magnetic anomaly that confuses the compass sender. If you get a similar problem, it would be interesting to know exactly where it happened.

I would seriously doubt that a sub-sea power cable could cause a measurable magnetic anomaly at the surface. Whether AC or DC the aggregate current within the cable as a whole at any instant is zero so at any sensible distance from the cable there can be no magnetic field created by it. (Very close to (a few mm from) the cable, where the separation distance between its conductors is significant relative to the distance to the measurement point, a small field will be detected, but this is hardly relevant.)
 

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I would seriously doubt that a sub-sea power cable could cause a measurable magnetic anomaly at the surface.

Well, it's an odd coincidence that the 'glitch' happened on 2 different days, in the same place, and the power lines are certainly there, and I was only crossing them with a couple of metres of water under the keel. Unfortunately, I don't carry a magnetic field strength detector on board! Given that the earth's magnetic field is very weak, and the fluxgate sensor is very sensitive, I'm not ruling anything out yet!
 

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When it comes to switching the power on are there any electromechanical relays involved to switch in the full load?
My ancient Sharps aotopilot uses these once the circuitry has done its switching bit.
Due to useage a small blip of contact material had built up on one side of contacts and corresponding little hollow on other side(this often usedto happen on car ignition contacts)
Result contacts "stick" together and boat does an extreme right or left.
Replace relay and problem solved.
 

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I have an ST4000, and have occasionally had a similar problem. However, I think I may have cracked my problem today, because the problem repeated itself in the same location - in the Solent, just off Lepe, where there are a lot of on-shore posts with yellow triangle and diamond topmarks - i.e. where the mains power cables run from the mainland to the IOW. I also had a similar glitch just south of the Fawley tanker jetty, where I know there's an underwater cable tunnel across Southampton Water from Fawley power station to Hamble.
So, no doubt in my mind, under water power cables cause a local magnetic anomaly that confuses the compass sender. If you get a similar problem, it would be interesting to know exactly where it happened.


WE have underwater automobile tubes here that drift our ST3000 off course, but only about 10 degrees and once clear the helm comes right back.

Based on the difference in scale, I would doubt if cables could do that unless they're very big and very shallow.

BUT, if the DO repeat the issue, then perhaps.

We also have railroad tubes, but they're much deeper than the auto tubes and do not affect our AP.
 

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You probably do! Did you see any deflection on your compass?
Compass needles/cards are a lot heavier than the electrons in a fluxgate compass so the boat's compass may not have shown any deflection in the time taken to pass through the zone of magnetic interference while still confusing the autopilot. I suspect however that you have an intermittent loose connection in the cabling, or a dry solder joint in the electronics. Have you noticed any correspondence with extremes of temperature?
 
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