PYH KICKING OUT 50% OF THEIR LIVABOARDS

[capnsensible]

See Thouless, ibid, esp:

Suggestion by repeated affirmation
Affectation of false authority
Diversion to another question, side issue or irrelevance

I will admit it's an old source, one bloke said he had been: "busting bullshitters since 1933."

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So tell us, what countries away from the UK have you had problems with? It's good to get proper information from people with first hand experience. Helps bust the bullshitters, allegedly.

 

[capnsensible]

Should I guess who is speaking to the moderator??
Or do I know?

 

[capnsensible]

Hey dug, should we start a thread on the livaboard link about countries we have sailed to and lived aboard with no problem? It would reverse the thread drift on here. And remove your agenda.
Win, win.

 

[oldgit]

On the River Medway around Maidstone there has been an increase in moored vessels , occupied both permanently and as weekend residencies.
Ranges from fairly large self propelled widebeam beam canal boats to custom built "pontoons with a shed on top" with no obvious means of propulsion.

 

[Tomahawk]

You'll be blaming Greta Thunberg next!

Seriously though, far from being organised by any lobby, isn't this just another example of nimbeyism?

People don't want to spend their weekends listening to the sound of angle-grinders or having their lungs destroyed by anti-fouling dust

St Greta is a latecomer to the eco lobby. Look at the areas of land designated as wildlife reserves. Then enquire why such huge amounts of land are given over to one type of hobby. The answer is because organisation like the RSPB have vociferously to have them designated as such. In consequence every yard of foreshore that is not already developed has been claimed by the eco lobby because there is or may be something living there. Once designated, the eco lobby guard them like a pack of hyenas over a carcas.

As to niusance aspect of boatyards, there are few existing ones in close proximity to housing. But we are looking at new ones which by definition will be away from existing development because they have to be built where land meets water.

 

[LONG_KEELER]

Lots of liverboards in Holland . Seems to work ok but it's probably classified as land reclamation.

 

[doug748]

Should I guess who is speaking to the moderator??
Or do I know?

I hope you slept well, you may be more coherent this morning. If you have problems with moderators I am afraid it is of your own making. I have not contacted them about this thread or any post on it.
Nor I have on the nearby Hot Topic thread where I see some innuendo has been taken down.

You need not invent things, If I think a post is bad for the forum you will know about it.

In the past there has been a self elected claque of noisy types who felt they had ownership of the forum, they eventually left and anyone who does not like the regime here is free to follow them.

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[capnsensible]

I hope you slept well, you may be more coherent this morning. If you have problems with moderators I am afraid it is of your own making. I have not contacted them about this thread or any post on it.
Nor I have on the nearby Hot Topic thread where I see some innuendo has been taken down.

You need not invent things, If I think a post is bad for the forum you will know about it.

In the past there has been a self elected claque of noisy types who felt they had ownership of the forum, they eventually left and anyone who does not like the regime here is free to follow them.

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There is now a thread in the liveaboard forum where people with real world experience can post away without fear of the snidier type of pointscorer. Just honest people who have travelled far from the armchair.

No claquers, please.

I look forward to your contribution.

 

[mjcoon]

Then enquire why such huge amounts of land are given over to one type of hobby.

If you mean species of hobby (only one so far as I know), where is that?

 

[Tomahawk]

If you mean species of hobby (only one so far as I know), where is that?

Not a species as such although one may wonder about the subset of humans who are enthralled by looking at a bird?

By hobby, I mean conservation and wildlife as a hobby. However, not everyone is interested in the subject. Millions more are avid football supporters. Then there are film fans (and Strictly fans), opera buffs, chess players, thespians, other sportsmen and even sailors and the hated jet-skiers. However, none of those "hobbies" is given the benefit of huge areas of land being devoted to their cause. Even the land devoted to sports pitches pale into insignificance compared to the areas of wildlife SSSI and conservation areas.

 

[Kelpie]

Not a species as such although one may wonder about the subset of humans who are enthralled by looking at a bird?

By hobby, I mean conservation and wildlife as a hobby. However, not everyone is interested in the subject. Millions more are avid football supporters. Then there are film fans (and Strictly fans), opera buffs, chess players, thespians, other sportsmen and even sailors and the hated jet-skiers. However, none of those "hobbies" is given the benefit of huge areas of land being devoted to their cause. Even the land devoted to sports pitches pale into insignificance compared to the areas of wildlife SSSI and conservation areas.

The people whose hobby is shooting birds surely account for a larger area of land, to the benefit of a smaller number of people? Or certainly that's how it feels in Scotland.

 

[Pye_End]

Not a species as such although one may wonder about the subset of humans who are enthralled by looking at a bird?

Conservation is not just about the wonder for some to look at nature - it is trying to ensure nature survives. Even for the selfish, it is also in 'our' interest.

 

[LONG_KEELER]

I'm seeing less garden birds in my garden each year despite encouraging them in many different ways. Part of the problem is the industrialisation of farm animals from the land.

Most sailors I know love to see wildlife both at sea and at home. Few seem to be members
of conservation groups but see the need of giving wildlife a chance where possible.

 

[Tomahawk]

Conservation is not just about the wonder for some to look at nature - it is trying to ensure nature survives. Even for the selfish, it is also in 'our' interest.

I beg to differ. (but I would). The fact of the matter is that in order to feed ourselves as a species, we need to displace nature with all it's abundant biodiversity and replace it with food crops we can eat (or use to grow materials like cotton). If we lived as part of the biosphere the human population of the planet would amount to just a few million as hunter gatherers. Farming today is about killing as much biodiversity as possible to get a crop off the land. There is a reason the Bible and other religious texts talk about the threat of plagues of locusts.

What we have not is not full biodiversity that includes all the hundreds of thousands of threatening species and vectors for disease. I take it you don't have a colony of rats in the larder together with cockroaches and lice to name but a few. Biodiversity has become a hobby for those who are interested in it.

Then look at the history of the planet pre humans. There have been a number of extinction events that have wiped out almost every species on the planet. Yet within a short time frame, biodiversity replaces what was lost.

 

[Habebty]

I beg to differ. (but I would). The fact of the matter is that in order to feed ourselves as a species, we need to displace nature with all it's abundant biodiversity and replace it with food crops we can eat (or use to grow materials like cotton). If we lived as part of the biosphere the human population of the planet would amount to just a few million as hunter gatherers. Farming today is about killing as much biodiversity as possible to get a crop off the land. There is a reason the Bible and other religious texts talk about the threat of plagues of locusts.

What we have not is not full biodiversity that includes all the hundreds of thousands of threatening species and vectors for disease. I take it you don't have a colony of rats in the larder together with cockroaches and lice to name but a few. Biodiversity has become a hobby for those who are interested in it.

Then look at the history of the planet pre humans. There have been a number of extinction events that have wiped out almost every species on the planet. Yet within a short time frame, biodiversity replaces what was lost.

That has to be the most ridiculous, uninformed post of the year. Words fail me.

 

[newtothis]

I beg to differ. (but I would). The fact of the matter is that in order to feed ourselves as a species, we need to displace nature with all it's abundant biodiversity and replace it with food crops we can eat (or use to grow materials like cotton). If we lived as part of the biosphere the human population of the planet would amount to just a few million as hunter gatherers. Farming today is about killing as much biodiversity as possible to get a crop off the land. There is a reason the Bible and other religious texts talk about the threat of plagues of locusts.

What we have not is not full biodiversity that includes all the hundreds of thousands of threatening species and vectors for disease. I take it you don't have a colony of rats in the larder together with cockroaches and lice to name but a few. Biodiversity has become a hobby for those who are interested in it.

Then look at the history of the planet pre humans. There have been a number of extinction events that have wiped out almost every species on the planet. Yet within a short time frame, biodiversity replaces what was lost.

Most people tend to look for more scientific references than My Little Book of Ancient Fairy Tales from the Middle East, aka the Bible. Those that do realise that locust swarms are a natural phenomenon that is no more a plague than it is a punishment for worshiping the wrong imaginary friend.
If it weren't for the rats and roaches, we'd all be knee-deep in carrion and uncomsumed plant matter. Ecosystems give not a toss for feeding one alpha predator. Sure, you can strip out diversity and plant the world with monoculture crops for a while, but you probably won't want to be around to see the consequences.

 

[Fr J Hackett]

Most people tend to look for more scientific references than My Little Book of Ancient Fairy Tales from the Middle East, aka the Bible. Those that do realise that locust swarms are a natural phenomenon that is no more a plague than it is a punishment for worshiping the wrong imaginary friend.
If it weren't for the rats and roaches, we'd all be knee-deep in carrion and uncomsumed plant matter. Ecosystems give not a toss for feeding one alpha predator. Sure, you can strip out diversity and plant the world with monoculture crops for a while, but you probably won't want to be around to see the consequences.

All having the ring of truth about it but it doesn't get over the fact that with the current world population and it's exponential rate of growth large tracts of previously uncultivated land will inevitably be turned over to farming of one sort of another with the associated loss of bio diversity with consequences yet to be discovered.

 

[LONG_KEELER]

I don't think we have to do too much.

The production of meat is the most wasteful means of providing food. It consumes more
greenhouses gases than cars, lorries, ships and planes put together. It's also very low in nutrients.

We just need to cut down a bit to make a big difference.

 

[capnsensible]

I like watching wildlife at anchor off the Papagayo Beaches in Lanzarote.

To determine how many ladies there are on the sands, count the nipples and divide by two.

 

[Sandy]

I like watching wildlife at anchor off the Papagayo Beaches in Lanzarote.

To determine how many ladies there are on the sands, count the nipples and divide by two.

Men have nipples too!