princess v40 with tamd63 shafts

[compie1]

We are looking to buy a secondhand princess V40 on shafts with tamd63 engines the boat is pretty young but has done some hours, 1700 wich is al lot to me does anyone know if there are problems with this type of engines at such a high hours?
what should i be looking for??

kind regards,



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[Deleted User YDKXO]

Hi compie1, welcome to the forum. 1700 hrs sounds a huge number for such a young boat. How old is it? 5yrs? Why has it got so many hours? Ex charter boat?
Whatever, generally, boats average 100hrs per year. The good news is that the TAMD63P engines are known to be good reliable engines but with 1700hrs, you need to get the engines thoroughly checked before you buy. I trust the boat is priced well below the market average for this type of boat?

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[Moose]

TAMD 63's are bulletproof (crossing fingers, touching wood e.t.c Cos' I have them/forums/images/icons/smile.gif)
They are good slow revving engines compared to the KAD series. I have them on a Phantom 37, we cruise at about 22-24kt's, at this speed the engines are only doing 2200RPM! They are basically a great big lump of metal with not a lot to go wrong, no superchargers, EDC e.t.c If you can do the servicing yourself you will save about £3000 p/a.
1700 hours=Not that much (a lot compared to other boats you have looked at probably) Peters at Chichester had a Phantom 43AC which they used as a sea school boat (i.e loads of thrashing around), they rebuilt the engines in that after 4000hours and it "only" cost them £10,000.

The gearbox is a ZF IRM-220-A1. I was in Orlando the other week and took a trip to the ZF US Service centre to have a look round, they have squillions of gearboxes everywhere but no ZF IRM-220-A1 because nobody has broken one yet!!!

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[Moose]

Whats wrong with high hours? In relation to the truck these engines would normally be in this is nothing.

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[Moose]

Whats wrong with high hours? In relation to the truck these engines would normally be in 1700 is nothing.

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[Deleted User YDKXO]

Nothing wrong with high hours providing the engines have been maintained properly but dont compare highly tuned (for thats what they are) marine diesel engines with significantly de-rated truck (and construction equipment) engines having the same block. 10,000hrs would be about the average life span of a truck or construction machine engine before a rebuild but these engines may be rated at as low as 50% of the horsepower of the marine equivalent. Peters' 43AC engines lasted only 4000hrs in comparison
The other point about high engine hours is that all the other systems on the boat are likely to be well used also. The price of the boat must reflect this fact and the fact that subsequent buyers will expect to pay below market value for the boat

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[compie1]

sounds all very nice, but are there any special signes to look for???

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[petem]

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[Moose]

Smoke from the engines. There should be very little even on a cold day when the engines are started and very little or no smoke when underway at speed, only a wee bit of steam at high RPM's. Check for oil leaking from the top of the sump. When were the injectors last checked/altered?
Is this your first boat? Where is it?


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[compie1]

hi moose,

Yes this could be our first bigger boat, we had 2 < 30 feet boats before and rented a few times a 40 foot wich we find very nice for our family (4 in total) boat is in spain, i'l ask for the service history, they told me they replaced the turbo's last year (its not the first time i hear someone is changing the turbo's on these engines, seems to be common on this type of engines with these amount of hours???) what do you meen with the "sump"? I am belgian and my technical english is not so good...

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[c_j]

You don't say what year the boat is. As Moose says the 63 is a good engine without the complicated stuff and they do go on but as Deleted User says do not compare to truck engines where typically only pulling half the horsepower (my 74ps are asked to provide 480 and the same block in a truck provides 290)

I think with that amount of hours the boat should be 30k under market price for a similar boat with average (600) hours.

If the boat is 1997 which I would guess, then they will be asking 130-140k ish and really the final deal should be under 110,000 ukp.

Nice boat but do read the article on PeteM's site.



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[compie1]

boat is indeed of 1997

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[Jim44]

I get white smoke from my engines, when cold and running flat out, I know it is very diffucult to say, but any idea why?? They are Volvo TAMD63P in a Sealine F44 with low hours 70.

Thanks

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[robind]

Hi Jim!
Could it be that the Turbos are not working hard enough ie at the speed needed to burn the fuel correctly(which is quite normal for Volvos). white smoke is I believe unburnt fuel so sounds reasonable.
Regards
Rob

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[Jim44]

As long as it not serious, I am quite happy. This i will get them serviced and see what happens.

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[jfm]

I'm not sure white smoke implies unburnt fuel - that would show as darker smoke. The white smoke, if it's just a bit (I mean not a massive cloud) is probly just water vapour - the cooling water is ejected into the exhausts and depending on the weather and other factors will often make a water vapour cloud. We certainly got this on our 63ps (1999, 500 hours) and it's totally normal

Re other comments genrally on this engine, I agree it is a very hardwearing lump. There is a detuned version 63L that produces 306hp and is common in trucks and buses, so it's not grossly overworked at 370hp in the 63P version. We tend to cruise mostly at 2100rpm which is probly only 275hp anyway, most owners will do the same to save fuel. But 1700 hours is relatively high in boat terms, many wouldbe buyers will walk away when you come to sell it wth 2000 hours, and perception is reality so I agree the price should be 30k lower than normal

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[c_j]

Black smoke unburnt fuel, blue smoke oil, white smoke water,
As already said probably just condensation off the hot exhaust water. We get it.

But a cracked head gasket could produce white smoke.
If there was any possibility of this then a quick check of the oil for water would confirm.

Clouds of smoke eminating from the stern of another boat means Red Indian trying to attract your attention.

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[Jim44]

Thanks, Good point and I will check it next time I am on the Boat

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[Jerbro]

I have a 1998 V40 on shafts with the 63p's. Got it last easter. It's great. I recommend you get the Port engine checked over thoroughly. You see, 'cos this engine has many serviceable parts on the port side tucked up close to the fuel tank. The raw water impeller is especially hard to get at. You may see more white smoke (steam) from this exhaust indicating impeller is on last legs.

If you want anymore info, just ask. I think I know this boat pretty well now. No regrets.

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