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[tome]

Re: Likewise

Mirelle

Respect. Welcome back to the red duster, which IMHO looks much better anyway.

Regards
Tom

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[goupil]

Re: Flaggery

Thanks for your explanations on Red, Blue, White and others mixed ones.
I definetely opt for our special cocktail, I went back to the thread "Forum burgee", I like the concept of:
"a confuser mouse drinking from the cup of all known knowledge".

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[bob_tyler]

Re: Flaggery

Surprised at you Mirelle! You don't "fly" an ensign, you "wear" it. Fancy teaching a Frenchman bad English when he just wants to learn.

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[Peppermint]

Re:Yotties

I've entertained whole towns not just yotties and I've never sailed under anything but the red. Oh! they still laugh at you.

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[webcraft]

Re:Yotties

Came across a yacht in Loch Spelve flying a large skull and crossbones today and gave her a wide berth . . .

What exactly are the qualifications for flying this particular flag?

- Nick



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[Mirelle]

Skull and Crossbones

Often, but doubtless not invariably, membership of the Arthur Ransome Society and/or The Nancy Blackett Trust!

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[ianwright]

That\'s OK then,,,,,,,

General opinion seems sympathetic, that's nice,Ta,,,,,,,,,,,

,,,,,,, I still maintain the tradition of not wearing the ensign, red or blue, at night.
Not many years ago, when I raised it in the morning or lowered it at night, all or most of the Skippers of boats in sight would be doing the same. These days if I'm spotted at my task I feel as though I've been caught doing something old and nasty, like badger baiting., " Still at that old game?" they cry, pointing and curling a scornfull lip, "Look Mabel, an old tyme Yotti, not many of those left now you know!"
Ah well,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

IanW

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[mickshep]

Re:Yotties

Re. Scull and crossbones. As far as I know it's only acceptable if your boats a submarine and you've just sunk a yacht (sorry, an enemy vessel) Mike.

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[Mirelle]

Re: That\'s OK then,,,,,,,

I maintain the even older custom of not wearing an ensign at all, unless in foreign waters. It serves no useful purpose, wears out a perfectly good flag and is one more tiny thing to go wrong in some way.

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[whiskerstay]

Re: That\'s OK then,,,,,,,

Raising and lowering the ensign at the proper times is of paramount importance... it's the only way to get the First Mate out of her bunk at any reasonable time! Whilst she is fiddling with clove-hitches (ours is a mizzen-masthead ensign, you see) I can hide her sleeping bag and get the kettle on.


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[ianwright]

Re: That\'s OK then,,,,,,,

Understood,,,,,,,
I seldom bother with an ensign underway, as you say, one more thing to go wrong but I like to see one at anchor or on a mooring.
I stick one up underway if I can if warships might be around, a dip is so much more ,,,,,,,, er,,,,,, polite than a wave or a thumbs up. Got a dip inreturn from HMS Grafton this year. I knew it was to me 'cos I heard the order over the tannoy. Quite made my day!
IanW.

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[Mirelle]

Vous avez raison.

Je crois qu'un navire, ou bien un bateau, Francais, "porte" le drapeau ou "bat" le pavillion?

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[goupil]

Re: Vous avez raison.

You're right: most important thing you answered perfectly well my question. I remember a yacht flying a large Blue ensign in Martinique some years ago, the captain looked like a "porte-drapeau" and certainly not as one whom I would ask the answer !
To fly an ensign is nicer than French translation "battre pavillon", closer IMO to fight.
+ Old custom's the best: Keep the flag in a locker inside territorial waters so you don't "wear" it out !

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[Sybarite]

Re: That\'s OK then,,,,,,,

Just a detail. I understand one should dip three times to a navy boat and only once to any other...??

John

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[whiskerstay]

Re: Skull and Crossbones

As a proud member, I can confirm that the chances are the Jolly Roger at the crosstrees probably involves some form of Amazonian involvement. However, I also recently heard that one of those archaic laws (the type allowing one to shoot Welshmen on a Sunday, or demanding that you practise archery on Sunday) allows the Royal Navy to attack any vessel flying the said Skull & Crossbones, which, I must admit, dampened my piratical intentions somewhat.

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[ianwright]

Re: That\'s OK then,,,,,,,

Really? Never heard that one,,,,,,,,,, you sure you're not thinking of Wolf Cubs? ,,,,,,,,, oh no, that's "Dib dib dib" and "Dob dob dob" not "dip dip dip".
Anyroadup, once has been enough for me so far,,,,,,,,,

I

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[dulcibella]

Re: That\'s OK then,,,,,,,

Dulcibella, skippered by Davies in "Riddle of the Sands", didn't wear any ensign because Davies regarded it as nationalistic nonsense.

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[Mirelle]

Re: That\'s OK then,,,,,,,

I've posted this before, but my late father, who started sailing in 1919, told me that wearing an ensign used to be considered "tripperish" - a damning term indeed!

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[Twister_Ken]

Yes but

Piddle on the Sands was written by an Irish nationalist with no great love of the Union Flag or its derivatives.

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[Mirelle]

Sorry, but

I think you are mistaken here, perhaps on two counts.

Childers was indeed an Irish Nationalist BUT when the Great War started he promptly joined the RNAS and flew and fought for Britain, "and the rights of small nations" against Germany. In this he should be sharply distinguished from those, like De Valera, who rebelled against Britain in the course of the war.

Also, I am not sure that his Irish Nationalism had kicked in when he wrote the Riddle. I think that was a reaction against Carson and the UVF.

Anyway, he is a hero of mine!


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