Pirates in the Med

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So you think MDL are a bunch of shysters, do you? Try Botafoch marina in Ibiza described in the pilot book as having 'pleasant english speaking staff'. We recently experienced engine electrical problems and had to limp into the marina on one dodgy engine and not enough battery juice to operate the bowthruster. After virtually having to beg on the VHF, they grudgingly allocated us a berth but refused to send out a dory to help us into it. Thanks to some heroic boathandling on my part (if I say so myself) and SWMBO putting her body on the line as an extra fender (that cost me a €60 lobster and several hundred brownie points), we managed to get in ourselves
The next day was spent in a forlorn search for a vaguely competent engineer. About 2 o'clock, we received a visit from one of the 'pleasant english speaking staff' to inform us that we had to leave the berth immediately. I pointed out that we had engine problems, were waiting for an engineer and we needed the berth for another night at least. But you cant have it, I was told. Why not, said I. Because you have'nt followed the rules came the reply. What rules say I. The rules that say you must telephone the office at 9.00am every morning to go on a waiting list for a berth that night. But you didnt tell us that, I say. That does'nt matter came the reply and if you are'nt out of the berth in 30mins, we'll tow you out. But we have only one engine, surely you can make an exception. No, we cant. End of conversation
Bugger me if a dory didnt turn up a while later mob handed with marineros who proceeded to tie a line to our boat and towed us out of the harbour. Luckily, there was a half decent anchorage outside where we had to reside for 2 days waiting for an engineer
And the price for this service? A cool €187 per night for a 46 footer. Thats £129 per night in Sterling
Oh and when the engineer finally arrived, he didnt fix the problem, unnecessarily changed the engine starter battery and charged me €480 (£330). Cash only, of course

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Mike, your story seems to have no ending (well, happy ending). Does this mean you are still stuck? Did an engineer eventually fix the engine? £129 per night??????? Thats downright robbery and more than twice the overnight fees for a large marina up my way!! As for the b@stards towing you off with a broken engine, thats unthinkable - they clearly didn't even think of the safety angle of their actions.

I hope you get sorted soon

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Brotafoc marina?

Surely that should have read Foc a Brit, they must have seen you coming! Absolute b##ards! And €60 for a lobster, must have been a big bugger.

How and where did you get it all fixed in the end?

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Sorry to say we experienced a similar situation in Mainland Spain 2 years ago, organised a floating mooring via translator (£90) whilst at home, sent money order over for 3 weeks mooring (£420), 10 weeks before arrival. Towed boat all the way to Spain, boat lifted off trailer straight away by marineros (£60) to be then told there was no mooring available!! Couldn't have refund as everything on non refundable first come first serve basis, allegedly, even threatening the ba****ds with a Glasgow kiss got nowhere. Only the lady wife crying eventually got the Harbour Master to call ports further north and find alternative moorings. Had to pay all over again though. Wouldn't do it again, for any money, suprising but made Brit Marinas look like angels. Paul

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Its a long story, Dave. Despite a new engine starter battery and a new alternator on one engine fitted in another marina, the problem didnt really go away. I also fitted brand new service batteries before the holiday and these were constantly discharging and are now registering 0% on a hygrometer which is a real pain in the bum if you need to keep beers cold. We finished our hols yesterday and I hope they sort it out this week 'coz we're back out again in 2 weeks

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Re: Brotafoc marina?

Foc a Brit? I like that. They have a different kind of lobster out there called a 'spiny' lobster which has more meat in it's back and less in it's legs than the average Brit lobster plus a couple of spiny protrusions which also have meat in them. Really tasty, grilled in butter. Best meal we had out there which was not difficult 'coz Spanish food is generally crap

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Re: Brotafoc marina?

Spiny lobsters are really crawfish, much better than lobsters & plenty more meat. Average price from your local fisherman is £18.00kg

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Eek that is pretty awful. Dunno what to say. The supply -demand for marina berths really means these guys can behave how they want, but it's a great shame they forget about safety and courtesy.

Hope it all gets fixed for your next rrip. Else come back to France. We have hassle but not that kind of stuff. And the food's ok and fuel dead cheap :)

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Yup Mike I called in once to Wotafoch "up" Marina once, must say wasnt impressed with the staffs approach. I guess as it was in March there wasnt such a problem staying an extra night.

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I'm sorry but I don't think you have a leg to stand on in your disgruntelment.
First, you still had a good engine - if you can't handle a boat on one engine with a crew then maybe you shouldn't bother at all. Second, you seem to expect all foreigners to speak your language - maybe if you bothered to learn a bit of Spanish they might have been a bit more sympathetic. Third, have you any idea of how much marina staff in Spain are paid, and how much stress they are under in the summer?

I suspect your problems of having to spend a night at anchor with "only" one engine are not very serious compared to the matelos who obligingly came out to tow you off your mooring, generously communicating to you in your own language, and probaly working 7am to 7pm for less than you would spend per hour engine time on your boat. Have you any idea of the problems they probably have to face when they eventually get home to their noisy cramped appartment?

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Well Ric, your post is about what one would expect from someone who lists their interests as, and I quote:

'sailing, winding up bushites on the internet, spamming the FBI'

and describes himself as a 'dosser'... Not sure you quite got the spelling right there... Would you like some help with it?

First, handling a twin on one is not like handling a single. Second, if you need an engineer, is bouncing around at anchor better for all than being in a marina? Third, marinas are in the service industry. Fourth, I doubt that your militant sob stories will hold much water here, some of us have met these people and know some of them.

Reminds me - I must pump out my holding tank... It also seems to be full of something...
 
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Re: Brotafoc marina?

We certainly thought so. Half a spiny lobster was certainly a good meal whereas half 'yer standard lobster is gone in 2 forkfuls

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I dont remember paying more than €70 per night in SoF and the pressure on berths is just as great. Maybe thats because marinas are council controlled rather than private? Really miss some decent food as paella and chips every night is wearing a bit thin. Inc VAT price of diesel is about €0.80/l so a bit cheaper than SoF unless you're a financial whizzo of course

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Hi Mike
Sorry to hear of your horror story.
I had just the opposite last month when my sterndrive packed up just outside Torreveija habour, I limped in on my auxilary outboard and booked 2 nights loa 30'.3'' 15 euro's per night inc water & electric. marineros came out with dory towed me to berth tied ropes ect. I explained in my best spanish what the problem was & gave them 20 euros drink for their trouble. Next morning (Sunday) same marinaro turned up with english boat owners phone no who agreed to tow me back to Campoamar for a reasonable fee and when I booked out charming lady told me I would be entitled to 1 free nights mooring as I had paid for 2 & only stayed for one. Marina asked for boats papers insurence & passport but did not want to see my ICC which suprised me as there has been a lot of fuss over non ICC holders recently.
It must have changed for the worse in Botafoch when I was there some 15 years ago it was quite friendly & not that expensive. Anyhow I hope you manage to sort out your problems without to much more agg
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I dunno for sure but I spect berth pressure slightly less in SofF than Blerix. We have got in without reservation in the last few weeks at Monaco (Hercule), Port Grimaud, San Remo, etc. Port Vauban has masses of spare space and all visitors are given berths in August, in fact 10m visitor boats are put in 23m berths there is so much room!. We got turned away at St Tropez and Menton. I got in at Cannes old port with a 1-week's notice reservation. You are right on price, we're paying say €90 a night. Monte Carlo is still free for a 3 hour lunch stop.

As you know I can do better than 80c a litre :) We're using road delivery tanker now because our quay is one of the drive-on ones, so cheaper even than I mentioned before

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I think the marinas on mainland Spain have to be a bit nicer because there's more competition but your experience is good to hear. We're in Denia and the staff there are pretty helpful and efficient as well
I've never been asked for ICC or VAT proof anywhere in Spain or France for that matter. Passport, insurance policy and registry numbers seem to be all they want

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Youre probally right, the Costa Blanca coast seems to be very friendly & helpfull I even managed to get overnight moorings in Santa Polo a few months ago for nothing.( its supposed to be difficult) Ive read some real horror & bad experience stories on here regarding the Balaerics, must be something in the water. I dont recall it ever being like that when I was there.
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Alpha, you are as wimpy as the op if you think being towed out into Botafoch harbour "with only one engine" is endangering your life.

You probably guessed that I am a sailor. I dipped in your forum as my employer has asked me to buy him a motorboat for use in the Western Med. A I am his personal pilot and have many thousand miles sailing experience, he asked me to be his skipper on his future motorboat. I thought I'd have a look at your forum before asking for advice. I can see that my thoughts of asking advice on a motorboat of about 40-50ft that was seaworthy and could make a 200+ mile all-weather out-of-season crossing in the Med would be met with blank astonishment, so I won't bother asking...

I simply can't believe that you guys are so bleatingly drippy. You kind of confirm my preconception that motorboat drivers are a bunch of tossers.

I mean, do you guys *really* think that having to moor on one engine in Botafoch harbour is life-threatening????





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It really baffles me why you have to be so rude and arogant with your remarks - you presuppose many things and generalise like mad so that you can feel comfortable about painting all with you prejudged brush. You should learn to open your mind a little and lighten up.

In any event, my advice on the boat would be to go for a Marlow - 3000 mile range and super sea worthy, can even dry out. Probably the best motor cruiser on the world market but they start at just over 50 foot. It takes f8/9 in its stride and compares well to the sea keeping of a lifeboat. It looks good and would fit in anywhere - semi custom made and good value.

Maybe now you will be skippering a motor boat you yoursel will qualify as a tosser - might as well be a tosser in charge of a good boat. :)



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