Petrol vs Diesel Part II

[Dave_Snelson]

In the P vs. D debate, I have been talking to a friend of mine who says that the red diesel tax position is to be removed as a result of fuel tax harmonisation from our friends in Brussells.

All well and good but.....I wouldn't expect this to be an easy task given the taxes and prices are far from "harmonised" over on the continent any way.

Has anyone else heard any rumours on red diesel? What is the position on LPG on the continent? Is it readily available? and at equivalent price to the UK?

I had heard that the Europeans being eco-friendly types are keen on promoting the use of LPG - true or false?


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[nicho]

Latest Government thinking is that the tax relief on LPG is no longer warranted, and may well be scrapped. With regards to red diesel, there was a lot of discussion on this a couple of years or so ago. I gather it's tax exemption was guaranteed until about 2006, but then our dear Government guaranteed they would find WMD in Iraq! Who knows what the next year holds for us.....

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[ccscott49]

LPG is cheap on the continent, but, in countries like holland, you pay more road tax for a car with LPG, this is to try and keep the LPG for business users, like taxis and the like. Diesel is also much cheaper than UK, but again in holland you pay more road tax. I have just put duty paid diesel in my boat in spain, it was 43 pence a litre, which compares quite well with duty free diesel in some places in the UK, notably the thames and the broads. If the UK government wants to do away with red diesel for pleasure boats, it will without giving a tinkers fart for the boating industry (rich boaters), but the EEC should consider the amount of tax we pay on fuels, compared to the rest of europe. By the way duty free diesel is available in rest of the EEC, but only for commercial (farms/fishing) use. Which as far as I'm concerned is OK.

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[h4nym]

Leisure boaters were granted the use of untaxed Diesel, I believe, by our last King, George... VI(?) IN PERPETUITY as a thank you for Dunkirk...

If Gordon does start rattling his sabre, please oh please oh please can you guys on the Solent kick up enough of a stink to remind him how marginal many of the constituencies on the South Coast are... together with the impact on jobs when the whole customer base of the marine industry weighs anchor and heads to the Med... I for one certainly would - and I'm on the Thames.

EU Tax harmonisation is about VAT and Income Taxes not discretionary taxes such as those on fuel..

H

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[DepSol]

Loads of people re-engined with Volvos through Marine and General last year which gave them dealer of the year award from Volvo. The price they were selling at plus no Vat and the deal they were doing on the fitting made it economically viable to do it. I still would do it if I can find the right boat with petrols at the right price so then I would have my cake and eat it at the right price.

Ok Ok I know you lot are going to say its Volvo but if the price is right then fine. Increases the boats value and you have a good older boat with new engines so should be ok for a while plus econimcal cruising.

Any one got a Seawings with petrols for sale?

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Now where is that Brendan hiding?

 

[Dave_Snelson]

Well I bever knew that!!

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[Guest]

Were there any petrol boats at Dunkirk ?

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[Chris_d]

I think most of the small ships would have been petrol, all the landing craft had the old Chrysler/Greys straight six, diesels were a bit heavy a crude back then. Ironic its the petrol boats that suffer now...ah well.

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