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[Deleted User YDKXO]

No government is ever going to introduce that. They are all far to afraid of losing votes. In any case, its a technical non-starter because, just like there is a whole industry now offering speed camera detection devices, there'll be companies offering jamming devices to scramble the information or the transmission and I'd be one of their first customers.
Anyway, all the research points to the fact that excessive speed is way down the list of possible causes of road accidents

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[BarryH]

Now, theres the crux of the matter. "Thought" being the operative word. If you'd been pulled by Le Coppaire he'd have said " oh not only speeding, but driving without undue care and attention". I know he would cos thats how I got done last time by our caring sharing police force.
The fact that I called him a twat, Hitler reincarnate, un feeling spineless drone with a personality so lacking in charisma and common sense it was my misfortune to meet probably didn't help! But hey ho. Thats life.

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[tcm]

French speed traps

the french are far more inte4rested in liberty than we seem to be, so lots of fr cameras get vandalised, as i understand from Learner who lives in fr.

I have been between fr tolls above speed limit on average, but didn't get nicked. Well, okay, i haven't actually been between the tolls at er legal speeds really, but anyway...

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[boatless]

Re: French speed traps

Got caught a couple of years ago. Hand held radar, m/cycle chappies hiding behind a road sign on the Autoroute. Was fined 80 Euros for about 110 mph, which I thought was not bad value. Luckily I'd slowed down a bit.

And it is true, you can only pay in cash. Which is a long story involving an impounded car.



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[tcm]

Re: French speed traps

very fair. Mine was 90 euros, which i had ready in the glove compartment. They flashed me, then a police car came out of the next layby and blocked the road altho i weaved a bit to try and get past. Very efficient, no sermons, and wished us Bonne Route.

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[KevB]

Re: hi-tek gizmo

have never been stopped for averaging over the limit between tolls in France, and believe me I would be well over the limit. I drive to the Alps a couple of time a year, most of the journey is over night travelling well in excess of 100mph average.

I have been stopped twice for speeding on Frnch motorways. The French police have a cunning stunt...
They capture you speeding using lasers sitting on a bridge or at the side of the road, nothing happens for a few miles of your journey. Then a Police motor bike joins from a slip road and gets behind you. Another bike joins from an other slip road and gets in front of you, they then escort you off the motorway to the nearest nick were you either pay the fine or leave your car. 128mph = £120 fine, 96mph = £60 fine.


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[tcm]

Avoiding speed traps

with their 35-hour week, i beleive that there are v few cops around outside normal working hours, tho? Also, depending on where u are going, driving from say midnight in Calais also allows you to cross to switzerland well before 6am and avoid paying the £25 motorway fee..

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[Alistairr]

Ok, if its where i think it is, Road between Port Glasgow and Greenock, then i'm afraid i think its a 30mph limit.



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[itsonlymoney]

Bollocks.....

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[Alistairr]

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[EME]

Re: hi-tek gizmo

I think the credit cards/time elapsed/stuff is urban myth. Much better system for them would be to use 'telepeage' ( in car device which allows fast access through booths) data. We have a couple and although have managed to clock over 130k average between booths a few times ( 'cos it's fun to try and a fied challenge) , have yet to get a call.

French hate gatsos ( think they still only have about 60 in whole of France) , and every time more threatened peeps go bonkers in the press and vandalise them openly. First guy to openly 'spray paint' the one on the A8 in Nice became a huge local celebrity. However dastardly French do use mobile lasers and m/cycle 'chasers' ... they DO nick you , and not cheap if you are a Brit. These sometimes also used a few miles before toll booths and guess what ... you just slow down and stop, nice easy nick for the local cops.

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[Planty]

Re: hi-tek gizmo

Years ago in France, was late leaving Paris for Dover Ferry, so wound 1500 Honda Goldwing up to full volume to try and reach target. Not a clever beast at full whack but fun, however as we got to Toll booth at end of Mway, Motobike Gendarme who was "hanging around" pulled me over, had to show all papers etc. They could work out average speed from time on toll ticket at entrance to time on exit, thus knew we were well over limit all the way up. In 130kph limit we had managed 170kph average, however we got a right Galic bollocking but no ticket as the clocks are not "calibrated" well enough, apparently. Could well be now though??

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[boatless]

Re: hi-tek gizmo

I'm pretty sure they will be. Reason I believe that is that there was a bit of a mystery on a credit card statement. An odd amount paid to the tollco in France. Dug out all the receipts and found that they had added two together. Strange thing is that they were for tolls eight days apart and different parts of the route.

So if their pyooter system is clever enough to do that, wouldn't mind betting that it can get the time right.

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[tcm]

Re: puters and french rozzers

Hm, i am not at all sure about this. They certainly could compute but they don't. They also seem to release info to the UK press every year, and that scares us all too.

As far as i know

1) it is a pillar of french libertarianism that the various police forces hardly connive or exchnge info, excpet a little bit.

2) french aren't schoolmistressy at all - so if you find a way to go faster, or avoid a charge, or escape from priz it's almost applauded, unlike in the UK, where the most extremely schoolmisstresy types become traffic cops.

3) The standard stopping ruse is to have a mobile radar flashgun near the end of an autoroute, so flash it goes off and 30 seconds later the cop at the peage has your pic. So beware of that innocuous hatchback on the hard shoulder near St Omer going north, or anywhere

4) Even if you do get flashed, there's a way out: the cop at the peage smartly directs to the side of the road but without standing in front of the car. Being a stupid rosbif, you can return the wave as he stands aside, and blast off down the motorway, leaving him waving in the rear view mirror. They do call the tunnel ports, but they don't send you back nor nick you- it was the job of the cop at the side of the road to get the nick, so it's just a ticking off. Not headmistressy, see.

5) Is it only yank and UK police who have the car chase videos? Intresting, huh?

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[boatless]

Re: puters and french rozzers

All fair points, except that the gendarme who got me was almost English in his condescension.

The funny bit about getting impounded (cos we had no cash) was that I was eventually given a hand completed form which impounded the car. This was so that we could go into town and get cash. I did ask if the details were on computer too. Non. So if I had done what instinct told me, and b*ggered off to the chunnel, and I'd been stopped and asked for documents - of course I'm going to produce it, aren't I?

But sis in law who lives over there says that they are now quite a lot tougher on speeding. So now always have the Euros to hand, as you did.

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[EME]

Our French Cousins

Your sister is right - during the last 12 months the French are getting 'tougher' on speeding but all things are relative . This is, after all, against a background of killing more people on the roads per capita than any other European country. It is no longer mandatory to have a drink before driving either.

To understand the 'relativity ' in terms of fact. Jenson Button was ,if memory serves, fined £500 for doing 144mph on the Autoroute. Now that is 230 kph i.e 75% over the speed limit (assuming it was the maximum). .... now if he had been caught doing nearly 125 mph ( 75% more than 70mph) on the M4 what would the penalty have been ? Commitment to the Tower of London ( or worse another year with BAR) at least. They just aren't as hard as us (relatively)

Loads of other personal French examples about being 'lasered' speeding but not going fast enough to bother the attendant motor cyclists.

I agree with TCM , it is a matter of attitude for the main part and I Think you would have all had a wry smile as French peeps deliberately accelerated and speeded through the French Gatsos when they wre introduced. Public Disorder and contempt for what they see as an invasion of civil liberties. IWhat do we do ? Blame PC Plod ... and whinge a bit.

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