Orca attack

[webcraft]

Ok, so people want to sail their private boat through dangerous forign waters, protection is going to cost money, are people prepared to pay for protection? I doubt it.

I have already forked out for a couple of pingers, and am now looking to buy some truenos (firecrackers)

So, personally, I am more than happy to pay a small amount to equip myself to defend my boat. Many yachts sailing in these waters have done the same.

Not sure what you are on about... Unless perhaps an increase in insurance premiums? I don't think any of us are expecting a gunboat escort ?

- W

 

[webcraft]

Orcas are known not to view humans as food.
Currently two pods are damaging boats, which is a problem right enough.
I dont see how such a problem can justify calls for culling orcas though, its a bit pathetic.
Reverse into them, throw firecrackers at em, flush bleach down the bog all you want. I dont care, I would try all those things Myself if they were coming at my boat.
Tracking them is an excellent idea.
Wanting authorities to shoot them is snowflakery of the highest order.

As for someone eventually being killed, I’m amazed some folk ever get into a car.

I agree 100% - with one caveat. If this behaviour spreads beyond this area, maybe worldwide, then culling the original 3 stroppy teenagers might, with hindsight, seem like a good idea.

It seems likely that 3 pods are now involved, originally it was one.

Hopefully it is just a fad that will die out.

- W

 

[shan]

I agree 100% - with one caveat. If this behaviour spreads beyond this area, maybe worldwide, then culling the original 3 stroppy teenagers might, with hindsight, seem like a good idea.

It seems likely that 3 pods are now involved, originally it was one.

Hopefully it is just a fad that will die out.

- W

Better to cull one or even 3 pods than have the behaviour spread because that will be far more detrimental to the Orcas.

 

[sailaboutvic]

@billskip you been on the vino again , what have you been told

 

[Fr J Hackett]

Yet you're not even allowed to visit Svalbard unless you take a gun.

You can hire one and are required to carry it when walking outside the town.

 

[billskip]

We're talking about a pod of Orcas, not piracy in the Gulf of Guinea.

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More people get killed sitting under coconut trees....possibly more have died through bad weather in the area...but let's kill the Orcas anyway

 

[Fr J Hackett]

There is a problem with both attaching trackers and killing the Orcas, how do you actually go about:
Tagging
Locating them and then tagging them, it would not be an easy task to attach a transmitter to the dorsal fin, when sharks and other species are tagged it is the ones that are caught, held fast by the side of the boat and the tags is then applied with a lance. I doubt that anyone is going to catch and hold an Orca let alone jab it to attach a tag. I don't think it's really an option.
Killing
To do that and remove the problem would mean locating and destroying all the members of the three pods suspected of involvement. How many pods are there, can they be identified, how many in a pod? 3, 5, 7 who knows? It would take a concerted effort over quite a period by professionals, Japanese or Faeroese are I think the only ones left. The public, governmental and wildlife organisations would be up in arms about it so no country is going to initiate it or allow it in there waters.

So neither of these things are going to happen it will be a case of every skipper and boat for themselves using various methods. Hopefully one or two will be proven successful and the word will get out and others will adopt, until then it's pot luck.

 

[billskip]

@billskip you been on the vino again , what have you been told

Theres money to be made in them there waters.......

 

[shan]

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More people get killed sitting under coconut trees....possibly more have died through bad weather in the area...but let's kill the Orcas anyway

Personally, I'd prefer not to - I'd like to see a system developed to deter them but again, it's a pod of orcas not piracy. I'm really not sure where you were going with your post.

 

[Fr J Hackett]

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More people get killed sitting under coconut trees....possibly more have died through bad weather in the area...but let's kill the Orcas anyway

I din't know the statistics on getting brained whilst sitting under a coco nut tree but I do know the danger is very well known and in tourist spots there are usually signs warning about it.
Crossing Biscay has always had a risk associated with the weather as all offshore sailing but modern meteorology has done a lot to reduce and even eliminate it. I think it's very rare nowadays for anyone to die in a crossing. Yes a few boats are lost or damaged each year but nothing like the numbers now being severely damaged ( 100 plus) and at least two lost this year.

 

[billskip]

I have already forked out for a couple of pingers, and am now looking to buy some truenos (firecrackers)

So, personally, I am more than happy to pay a small amount to equip myself to defend my boat. Many yachts sailing in these waters have done the same.

Not sure what you are on about... Unless perhaps an increase in insurance premiums? I don't think any of us are expecting a gunboat escort ?

- W

Your not sure what I'm on about, well of course not,its not in line with the suggestions that something has to be done, I presume by others at others expense, to protect people from sailing their boats.
You have demonstrated sense in that you are equipping yourself at your expense, but it would seem to me from what I read, that the problem is expected to be solved by others.
There are many people offering private protection services, why not for this?

 

[billskip]

Personally, I'd prefer not to - I'd like to see a system developed to deter them but again, it's a pod of orcas not piracy. I'm really not sure where you were going with your post.

Danger is danger, wether it be from pirates or any other means, I'm sure you are able to understand that.

 

[Fr J Hackett]

Danger is danger, wether it be from pirates or any other means, I'm sure you are able to understand that.

Everything is relative

 

[billskip]

Everything is relative

What Shan and Orcas?

 

[Fr J Hackett]

What Shan and Orcas?

Well the bite is. ?

 

[shan]

Danger is danger, wether it be from pirates or any other means, I'm sure you are able to understand that.

There are different levels of danger as I'm sure you're aware. No need for you to get all drama queen about it. ?

 

[doug748]

If a bear attacks a human in the US or Canada it is tracked down and shot........

Tsk. Basely pejorative.

I think you mean: if a bear interacts with a human.....

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[nortada]

Do bears teach other bears to attack/humans

Orcas learn behavioural patterns from other orcas so a growing problem that needs to be nipped in the bud.

How - a good question.

 

[Fr J Hackett]

Do bears teach other bears to attack/humans

Orcas learn behavioural patterns from other orcas so a growing problem that needs to be nipped in the bud.

How - a good question.

The bud has flowered blossomed and spread its pollen.

 

[Wansworth]

I think I’ll just get a wee boat to putter round the ria