Laysula
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Older Bavaria. We have a 1993 Bav 350 Built like a brick outhouse and ticks all your boxes and comes in well under budget leaving cash for any upgrades or maybe go for a 370.
Old world cruiser or newer ship
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PHN
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Can be an idea... Older BAV's do have good comments. Though the 350 with displ./length ratio of only 184 is rather light weight. I wonder how it handles in bad weather. The 370 with a D/L of 271 would be more appropriate.
Have seen a 370, however with in-mast rolling main which I don't want.
sailorman
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U Boat :highly_amused:
Sybarite
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Yes, in a F8.
Sybarite
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You think you won't find any horrors in a £50k boat?
At least you you know the pedigree. Bénéteau didn't become the world's largest by selling low quality boats. The Evasion is not to everybody's taste but it is a solid cruising boat. As I said elsewhere, two Norwegian teenagers sailed round the world in one and added, that were they to do it again, they would choose the same boat. This particular one seems to include a very good inventory for the price.
And of course you would have a survey done before buying wouldn't you?
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PHN
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Thanks for all contributions. It really helps. However, I would appreciate to focus on my specs.
A 27 foot Albin Vega also sailed around the world, just as many other small boats.
However ... the Evasion does not tick the "36-38 foot (or bigger)" check box which is on top of my list. Bigger does not only mean having more space, but also having more weight in rough seas and more hull speed. And yes ... more cost in maintenance.
geem
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Lots of respect for your specification but can I ask you one thing? Why no centre cockpits? It may be that they don't work so well on sub-40 ft boats IMHO but interested to know your reason
jamiepyoung
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PHN
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For bigger trips I usually sail on other boats - heavy duty expedition style sailing yachts - in places like the roaring sixties, Cape Horn, Artic pack ice and more of that stuff. For my own new boat such a ship would be a little over the top (and budget). However, it should be capable to deal with serious bad weather.
From that perspective to me the CC does not fit because:
- the cabin lay-out usually is less efficient for a longer stay onboard
- the center cockpit usually is higher above the water, creating a bigger roll in bad weather which has greater risk for sea sickness/nausea
- when sailing short handed picking up a mooring or doing anything else "next door" is a little bit more out of reach
Daydream believer
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Several of the Hanse 37's from the 2004 era have crossed the atlantic and there are some that could be bought for £ 50k if the sellers arm was twisted. I have seen a coupe of good ones up for £55k last year which have now been sold but there will be others. Do not have a skeg hung rudder though, but I wonder what the need for one is, as the design is quite well founded now. Certainly the layout & sailing ability of these yachts and ease of handling far outweighs the "perceived" advantages of those mentioned so far
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doug748
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These threads always seem to decline into low farce.
Muddy32
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you'd need to wash the drying up cloth though.
PHN
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Can we please stay on topic?
geem
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Yep, dont disagree. I think once you get to about 44ft the CC makes more sense.
fredrussell
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You’re new here aren’t you!!!
CAPTAIN FANTASTIC
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I have looked at a few boats with Central Cockpit; they look good and more "symetrical" than the stern Cockpit variety. The problem is that they are more wet and in most cases the cockpit is smaller than their eqivelant stern cockpit. In the main, the design of new boats is tested and optimised in every way using computer modelling and should therefore be nicely "tuned" for long voyages.
geem
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What a load of nonsense!! Most modern boats are designed to sit in marinas.... fat sterns, flat hulls, twin wheels, low ballast ratios, short rudders, tiny deck gear, bolt on keels. You have got to be kidding!! The only thing optimised on modern boats is to extract cash from you for an inferior product. Dream on.......
Kukri
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I agree with you, entirely, but why not tell us what you really think!
Daydream believer
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So tell us:- what is wrong with :-fat sterns, flat hulls, twin wheels, low ballast ratios ( bearing in mind it is coupled with a broader beam to give stability & generally greater initial stability ), short rudders ( long enough for the job), bolt on keels ( I assume you mean as opposed to glassed in)
& why are they inferior , because, as far as I can see, comparing the average modern yacht of comparable price range with older yachts at the time ( ie expensive, mid range, cheaper) modern yachts are infinitely better & sail better with better accommodation.
The reference to marinas is irrelevant. If people's lifestyle means that they have less time to sail then so what. I suggest that more boats sit in marinas because yachts are more affordable now in larger sizes rather than the grotty little 22 fters that litter our clubs storage yards ( or have you forgotten to count those that sit there doing nothing & just counted marina yachts only). I also suggest that the proportion of yachts doing distance or longer season sailing is far higher now than it ever was. You only have to sail around the coast of europe to see that in all nationalities having free time ( remember it is not just British that buy yachts)
geem
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You said long voyages. Unless you mean crossing the Channel when you can get a nice forecast then a long voyage might be several days at sea. Crossing an ocean could be a few weeks. Your risk of bad weather increases as you are out of forecast range. So you fat ass marina boat is now in some nasty seas. Your low ballast and flat bottom caravan that was nice for a romp across the Channel in perfect weather is suddenly is having to deal with large breaking waves and cross swells. The spacious marina entertainment cockpit provides no shelter from the elements. You are in full oilies getting a drenching and the boat motion is terrible. You go down below to make a cup of tea and you are thrown across the saloon cos there are no handholds. The motion is so bad down below you can't make the tea or your are going to burn yourself.
You are going to windward, not ideal but there are times even as a long distance cruising boat that you do it cos the forecast is wrong. The boat is slamming badly. Every gust and squall sees you griping up to windward. Too much sail and the rudder loses grip and you have to dump the main. Too little sail and you can't punch through the seas. You start the engine but the boat is being thrown over so far in the gust that you are exceeding the maximum angle the engine will operate at so you have to turn it off. You decide to run downwind but the boat is surfing wildly with hardly any sail. It takes all your concentration to steer the boat as the autopilot won't cope. There is only you and the wife onboard. If this goes on much longer what are you going to do. This is reality my friend. If you want to do long voyages and not experience at least some of these attributes, get a boat designed for it. The modern crop Bens, Jens, Bavs, etc are not optimised for this kind of sailing.
