Ohh dear.. Registration thread again.

[ironmaiden]

Okey doky, I have searched the threads that are pertinent to boat registration but I cannot seem to find an exact fit.
So, if you are a British citizen who is a Portuguese resident, and you buy a swedish boat in portugal, can you change the registration to uk and if so is it ssr or part1?
Also what are the vat implications keeping it in portugal etc now that we have shot ourselves in the foot (well blown our heads off really) since brexit.
I think the boat is vat paid or exempt due to age.
Thanks in advance from Miss Totally Mystified!

 

[billskip]

Okey doky, I have searched the threads that are pertinent to boat registration but I cannot seem to find an exact fit.
So, if you are a British citizen who is a Portuguese resident, and you buy a swedish boat in portugal, can you change the registration to uk and if so is it ssr or part1?
Also what are the vat implications keeping it in portugal etc now that we have shot ourselves in the foot (well blown our heads off really) since brexit.
I think the boat is vat paid or exempt due to age.
Thanks in advance from Miss Totally Mystified!

Tranoa is the expert on this...if you have read the othe threads you will have read some of his very informative posts...he will be along soon I should think.

I think that you have to have a uk residential address (you are supposed to be living in uk) to register ssr or part one...but I may be wrong....the boat does not have to go to the uk, and you will be allowed 18months in EU waters I think. I would advise you to check carefully your Portuguese residents permission regarding the legal permission of ownership...speaking as a Spanish resident it complicates things if I try to avoid the Spanish rules that apply to resident ownership or main user( eg: if I said it was my son's boat, but I used it, it would be considered as I owned it.)

 

[Graham376]

I have Portuguese residence and our UK registered boat has been based there for around 18 years, with no problems whatsoever.

If you buy the Swedish boat in Portugal and do not qualify for UK residence, then Part 1 applies. As long as it's VAT paid in EU, there's no additional VAT to pay in Portugal.

P.S. We are also UK resident (as I think you may be at the moment) our boat is on Part 3 SSR.

 

[ylop]

Okey doky, I have searched the threads that are pertinent to boat registration but I cannot seem to find an exact fit.
So, if you are a British citizen who is a Portuguese resident, and you buy a swedish boat in portugal, can you change the registration to uk and if so is it ssr or part1?
Also what are the vat implications keeping it in portugal etc now that we have shot ourselves in the foot (well blown our heads off really) since brexit.
I think the boat is vat paid or exempt due to age.
Thanks in advance from Miss Totally Mystified!

Part1 is open the U.K. citizens wherever the live. The downside it’s you need a tonnage survey - which may be expensive to organise in Sweden/Portugal.

Part3 (SSR) is only open to UK residents, so appears to exclude you

U.K. VAT will not apply unless the boat is imported to the U.K. (where you then get a bunch of other bigger regulatory headaches despite its age). Whether that applies for a temporary visit is more complicated.

 

[Stingo]

@ironmaiden where is the boat? I ask because I know of a surveyor that lives on the Algarve and he can do an in the water tonnage survey for Part 1 reg, so no need to haul out for the survey.

 

[Graham376]

Part1 is open the U.K. citizens wherever the live. The downside it’s you need a tonnage survey - which may be expensive to organise in Sweden/Portugal.

Part3 (SSR) is only open to UK residents, so appears to exclude you

U.K. VAT will not apply unless the boat is imported to the U.K. (where you then get a bunch of other bigger regulatory headaches despite its age). Whether that applies for a temporary visit is more complicated.

I got a quote for friend last year and locally based surveyor (John Venner) quoted around €800 for part 1 survey which, if done at same time as insurance survey doesn't add too much.

 

[ironmaiden]

@ironmaiden where is the boat? I ask because I know of a surveyor that lives on the Algarve and he can do an in the water tonnage survey for Part 1 reg, so no need to haul out for the survey.

The boat is in portugal and has been for a while.

 

[Irish Rover]

I got a quote for friend last year and locally based surveyor (John Venner) quoted around €800 for part 1 survey which, if done at same time as insurance survey doesn't add too much.

£800 for a Tonnage Survey is a complete rip off. Fifteen minutes max with a measuring tape is all it takes and if the surveyor has access to the Builders Certified or has surveyed the same model before he doesn't even need to visit the boat. It really pained me to pay €800 for one recently in Croatia.

 

[WindyWindyWindy]

I got a quote for friend last year and locally based surveyor (John Venner) quoted around €800 for part 1 survey which, if done at same time as insurance survey doesn't add too much.

That's good value, but you can probably go Polish for much less. I don't know if that would be a problem in Portugal though.

 

[Graham376]

That's good value, but you can probably go Polish for much less. I don't know if that would be a problem in Portugal though.

Going Polish last year instead of part1 cost him €600 and he's not managed to obtain insurance, even third party. He's UK citizen resident in Portugal but no address except the boat yard.

 

[Baggywrinkle]

I'm a German resident, UK/German citizen buying a VAT paid boat in Croatia. The boat is currently German registered but I'm going U.K. Part 1. Application is half way through, tonnage survey cost 270 GBP which is the YDSA rate but the surveyor was not local so travelling costs whacked it up to around €650 in total.... 3 in Portugal.

Measurer for Registration | YDSA

The surveyor I used last time in Split didn't bother to answer my E-Mail, and U.K. tonnage surveyors are rare as hens teeth in Croatia.

 

[Irish Rover]

I'm a German resident, UK/German citizen buying a VAT paid boat in Croatia. The boat is currently German registered but I'm going U.K. Part 1. Application is half way through, tonnage survey cost 270 GBP which is the YDSA rate but the surveyor was not local so travelling costs whacked it up to around €650 in total.... 3 in Portugal.

Measurer for Registration | YDSA

The surveyor I used last time in Split didn't bother to answer my E-Mail, and U.K. tonnage surveyors are rare as hens teeth in Croatia.

I hope you haven't upset the Professor .
€650 is a lot less than I paid our man and I still had to pay £130 to the IIMS. You did well but it's still daylight robbery.

 

[Baggywrinkle]

I hope you haven't upset the Professor .
€650 is a lot less than I paid our man and I still had to pay £130 to the IIMS. You did well but it's still daylight robbery.

I have no idea, he had plenty of time to answer my inquiry ....

 

[billcowan]

SSR; works for me, I live in Scotland, boat is in Spain.
You don't need to live in UK, just be 'habituated' i.e. use your mum, sister, or British friend's address.
You don't need a survey, or even a boat ! it can just all be made up.
British boat may not have ever been registered before, and if old wont have a HIN number, anyway - and nobody is checking.
Small boat can stay in EU as long as it wants, nobody is checking.
My boat has paid EU VAT, as it was bought in UK when UK was in the EU.
All this for £36, and print your own certificate.

The whole concept of SSR was invented so that people could nip over the channel for a jolly, and have something to wave at froggy.
Part 1 is waaayy more complicated, only really necessary for commercial owners

Other options: Polish reg. £400 all done online, but you need an EU address.
Austria, that great maritime nation is also popular.

 

[Tranona]

SSR; works for me, I live in Scotland, boat is in Spain.
You don't need to live in UK, just be 'habituated' i.e. use your mum, sister, or British friend's address.
You don't need a survey, or even a boat ! it can just all be made up.
British boat may not have ever been registered before, and if old wont have a HIN number, anyway - and nobody is checking.
Small boat can stay in EU as long as it wants, nobody is checking.
My boat has paid EU VAT, as it was bought in UK when UK was in the EU.
All this for £36, and print your own certificate.

That is simply not true - you are well out of date as the residence requirements have changed ukshipregister.co.uk/registration/small-ships-register-part-3 The new rules also require you to provide evidence the boat exists.
A boat owned by a UK resident and not EU VAT paid is limited to 18 months under TA in the EU. This can be renewed - but it is not true that it can stay as long as it likes. To claim TA it must be owned by a non EU resident and registered outside the EU so your Polish registration suggestion would not work for a UK VAT paid boat.

If your boat was in the EU on 31/12/2000 it has EU VAT paid status and can stay as long as it likes. while it remains in your ownership it also has UK VAT paid status, but that is lost if you sell it while it is in the EU.

It is not true that nobody checks as since Brexit EU states have brought in border controls that monitor the movement of boats as well as people. Not perfect and maybe not universally applied but they are there in EU law.

 

[Koeketiene]

SSR; works for me, I live in Scotland, boat is in Spain.
You don't need to live in UK, just be 'habituated' i.e. use your mum, sister, or British friend's address.
You don't need a survey, or even a boat ! it can just all be made up.
British boat may not have ever been registered before, and if old wont have a HIN number, anyway - and nobody is checking.
Small boat can stay in EU as long as it wants, nobody is checking.
My boat has paid EU VAT, as it was bought in UK when UK was in the EU.
All this for £36, and print your own certificate.

The whole concept of SSR was invented so that people could nip over the channel for a jolly, and have something to wave at froggy.
Part 1 is waaayy more complicated, only really necessary for commercial owners

Other options: Polish reg. £400 all done online, but you need an EU address.
Austria, that great maritime nation is also popular.

Similar experience.
In real life, there's a huge difference between the letter of the law and its application in practice.

My boat's registered in one country. (Belgium)
I am a permanent resident of another country. (France)
I keep my boat in yet another country. (Spain)
And to top it all off, she's insured in yet another country. (UK)

No-one's ever taken an interest in me or my boat.

 

[billskip]

No-one's ever taken an interest in me or my boat.

Your insurance co is quite happy taking money for an insurance that you are giving a big get out clause..but if of course it's all legal and to the letter of the law why should they take interest?...

 

[Koeketiene]

Your insurance co is quite happy taking money for an insurance that you are giving a big get out clause..but if of course it's all legal and to the letter of the law why should they take interest?...

What, in your opinion, is the big get out clause?
When my boat sustained damage in the November storms of last year, the insurance settled without quibbles in a matter of days after receipt of the quote for the repairs.

As for no-one ever taking an interest in my boat, I meant officialdom.

 

[Fr J Hackett]

What, in your opinion, is the big get out clause?
When my boat sustained damage in the November storms of last year, the insurance settled without quibbles in a matter of days after receipt of the quote for the repairs.

As for no-one ever taking an interest in my boat, I meant officialdom.

Do you still maintain a residence in the UK? I thought those with permanent residence in the EU could not get UK insurance companies to cover them unless through an EU based subsidiary and office.

 

[Gibeltarik]

Similar experience.
In real life, there's a huge difference between the letter of the law and its application in practice.

My boat's registered in one country. (Belgium)
I am a permanent resident of another country. (France)
I keep my boat in yet another country. (Spain)
And to top it all off, she's insured in yet another country. (UK)

No-one's ever taken an interest in me or my boat.