Oh Gawd....!!

Kerry suffers, IMO, from the problem that a lot of the people shouting for him/against Bush are not people with whom I naturally agree. Good thing I'm not a US voter then!

Political stability is a good thing and I suspect that Kerry might be pressured to make a _lot_ of changes if he gets hold of the toybox. Bit like May 1997 really and look where that's got us...

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The cynic in me has come to realise that the prime objective of EVERY politician is to get themselves elected/re-elected and will support whatever policy is most likely to achieve that objective. The days of the conscientous politician like Enoch Powell and Tony Benn are long gone as the money and power involved outweigh most, if not all, other considerations. Whether you agreed with the policies of the old school politicians or not you always knew what you were voting for and that they would endeavour to bring about what they believed in. It was much easier to choose in those days.

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You're pissed already ain't you Jimi. this time of the mornin' an'awl. You must after what you just wrote about the lib dems. Nobody in their right minds could consider them for goverment let alone complimenting them with words like "respect". The mans a pisshead for gods sake, can't cut the mustard, talks out of his A***, reminds me of a few on this forum sometimes as well. /forums/images/icons/laugh.gif/forums/images/icons/laugh.gif

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Bush\'s great achievements

1, To have taken the USA from a state of peace and prospertity to a state of war and bankruptcy.
2. To have killed 100,000+ Iraquis and bereaved 1000+ US families of dead servicemen
3. To have recruited thousands (tens, maybe hundreds of thousands) of Muslims to the cause of terrorism
4. To have allowed the globe to get 4 years (soon to be 8) closer to meltdown through global warming.
5. To have fooled Americans into thinking he's a safe pair of hands.


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Maybe it all has to get a lot worse before it gets better.. (looking on the bright side).. but with luck his budy our Tone wont be around much longer.. even if it's only a change of leadership in the Labour Party I think few of the likely candidates would have exhibited such poor judgement as sticking with Bush on the Iraq issue and generally TWAT (The War Against Terrorism)..

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Good points from Talbot and Nicho.

I'm not vehemently pro-Bush by any means but from a pramatic point of view, I think a Kerry victory would be dangerous for British interests. Kerry could have been likely to court France and Germany at our expense whilst still expecting us to take on an increasing role in Iraq and elswhere, which would fatally weaken Mr. Blair's position here.

Now, I believe that the U.S.A. and Britain must mend their fences with France, Germany and others pretty rapidly and encourage them, together with the U.N., to play a part in Iraq and elswhere. Neither am I particularly a supporter of Mr. Blair but now that the U.S. elections are over, maybe, just maybe, he will be able and prepared to take a stronger line with Pres. Bush and his hawks. To have done so earlier would have been seen as trying to affect the outcome of those elections and could have left a very nast smell in the Oval Office.

It's all conjecture, however and as has been said in this forum before, what difference would a change either side of the Atlantic really make anyhow?

I suppose we British have to decide whether we want to be a part of the Atlantic Alliance or the European Union - dare I say it, the English speaking or Francophone worlds? the only other alternative is to try and plough our own very vunerable furrow.

(Whatever happened to the Commonwealth . . . ? Ho, hum !)




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As if it makes any difference which puppet is used by the oil and arms manufacturers who actually make the policies.

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Saw CNN mentioned a number of times. If you get your perspective of the U.S. political scene from CNN, you are receiving a liberal, anti-Bush, elitist mainstream press slant that clearly does not reflect what the "common" American citizens believe to be true.

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I guess it is about the same reaction as most of middle England would have if, say, the Washington Post decided to invade our election process.

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