New tax for foreign yachts based in Greece from 1st January 2014????

[1bobt]

That list was made available to the Greek revenue authorities but has never been acted on
I wonder why.

And as I have said ,the Port authority never go`s near the super yachts so I doubt if they will pay .

 

[Steve C Cronin]

That list was made available to the Greek revenue authorities but has never been acted on
I wonder why.

And as I have said ,the Port authority never go`s near the super yachts so I doubt if they will pay .

You know: you're coming around to a way of thinking that some of us have embraced from the first mention of this "tax".

 

[Steve C Cronin]

Steve - blue signs not only in Greece but France etc - I scarcely ever have seen one in the UK!

Well, where's our share then?

 

[Bertramdriver]

Supporting Nick Cleggs private office and the Libdems Annual Assembly

 

[nimbusgb]

Difficult to find specifics but in 5 mins I found details of £147 million spent in 2013 on skills development funded by the EU in the northwest of the uk alone.

There are so many segments to EU funding that there are companies specialising in just helping people find out how to get their mitts on these funds.

England's bite of the pie is worth about £1 billion per annum over the next 6 years.

 

[grumpygit]

That list was made available to the Greek revenue authorities but has never been acted on
I wonder why.

And as I have said ,the Port authority never go`s near the super yachts so I doubt if they will pay .

+1 And you never see the super yachts supporting the local taverna's or shops, they bring it all with them !!

 

[Cardo]

Has the law been gazzetted yet? As I understand it, until they do, it isn't in force. Considering the tax is due to be charged from the 1st of Jan, they're certainly leaving it to the last minute.

Locals here (in Corfu) wouldn't be surprised if it is never brought in properly.

 

[macd]

Locals here (in Corfu) wouldn't be surprised if it is never brought in properly.

Locals here (on Liveaboard) wouldn't be surprised if it is brought in improperly. Indeed many would be astounded if it weren't.
Like everyone else, locals at the other 'here', Finike, await developments with keen interest.

 

[tonybell]

Don't know what you mean Caladh, I thought I spoke perfectly good Inglish when I met you in Croatia on the way back from the pub!!

 

[Chris_Robb]

Has the law been gazzetted yet? As I understand it, until they do, it isn't in force. Considering the tax is due to be charged from the 1st of Jan, they're certainly leaving it to the last minute.

Locals here (in Corfu) wouldn't be surprised if it is never brought in properly.

Considering that to get the 30% discount, you need to pay in December! And there is no electronic method yet.....

 

[grafozz]

Has the law been gazzetted yet? As I understand it, until they do, it isn't in force. Considering the tax is due to be charged from the 1st of Jan, they're certainly leaving it to the last minute.

Locals here (in Corfu) wouldn't be surprised if it is never brought in properly.

sorry my Greek is not complete , how is something "gazzetted "
anything akin to "garrotted " , which I am expecting soon , living in Greece.

 

[charles_reed]

sorry my Greek is not complete , how is something "gazzetted "
anything akin to "garrotted " , which I am expecting soon , living in Greece.

?gazetted?

 

[grafozz]

?gazetted?

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Has the law been gazzetted yet? As I understand it, until they do, it isn't in force. Considering the tax is due to be charged from the 1st of Jan, they're certainly leaving it to the last minute.

Locals here (in Corfu) wouldn't be surprised if it is never brought in properly.

 

[Steve C Cronin]

Considering that to get the 30% discount, you need to pay in December! And there is no electronic method yet.....

Where is that written?

 

[Melody]

Steve - blue signs not only in Greece but France etc - I scarcely ever have seen one in the UK!

There are EU funded projects in the UK - mostly in more economically disadvantaged areas so you're more likely to come across them in Cornwall, Wales, Scotland, Merseyside, the North-East of England etc.

And Britain is not exempt from wasting EU money - see this article http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...lions-lost-by-EU-funded-regional-schemes.html

 

[sailaboutvic]

There are EU funded projects in the UK - mostly in more economically disadvantaged areas so you're more likely to come across them in Cornwall, Wales, Scotland, Merseyside, the North-East of England etc.

And Britain is not exempt from wasting EU money - see this article http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...lions-lost-by-EU-funded-regional-schemes.html

Hi Melody

I think your going a bit off track here , UK , France and other country aren't charging sailor to sail though there waters , Greece is .
And one has to wonder where this money is going to end up .
Re your remark , if we don't like it then leave , if you read my posting then you know we left a year ago , which is a really shame as we love Greece and sailed west and eastern part of the med for over 13 years .
Personal I think if there not a change in this law one way or another we will be seeing it going on within the next year or two in other country .
One other thing a few people on this forum have sail , oh well never mind we pay it and stay , I not sure where there people are but we in the field and the feed back from every one I spoken too so far is , if this tax come in their will change their plains the year and go else where .

 

[Chris_Robb]

Where is that written?

Steve - may be I have read too much in - but this was the bit which makes its look like an annual tax - ie won't allow entry part way through the year

2. The SSD is calculated on a yearly basis and applies from January 1st until December 31st of each year and is determined as follows:

This seems to mean what is says - there can be no other interpretation.

and

5.a. The SSD is paid by electronic means in the following manner:

(i) with regard to boats or small vessels that are located in the Greek Territory, during the month December of each year, which payment corresponds to the SSD of the next year.

A certain amount of logic applied to the reasons for allowing a discount to be given is that it should be paid in advance. So not exactly written into the law per se, but to me that would be a logical interpretation for the Shipping minister to make when creating the rules for collection. It also follows that anyone who cannot get out to pay at the start of the season will be paying full wack so might as well pay monthly.

I had a dream last night which entailed me trying to pay my fees at port police my the month and then the next port police disagreeing with the initial fee, demanding a full year and impounding the boat.

 

[Chris_Robb]

There are EU funded projects in the UK - mostly in more economically disadvantaged areas so you're more likely to come across them in Cornwall, Wales, Scotland, Merseyside, the North-East of England etc.

And Britain is not exempt from wasting EU money - see this article http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...lions-lost-by-EU-funded-regional-schemes.html

Melody - yes I have just read that and it is an indicment of shoddy management but
"It should be remembered that this is not European money being wasted but our own, because Britain pays far more into the EU than it gets out." Where as the discussion was about the Greeks not receiving any money - because it was going straight to recycling bad loans, which is not true - as they are continuing to draw on substantial structural funds.

You also made a comment that perhaps Greek Harbour dues were too cheap - but you have not commented on my reply to that, which would be an interesting point given the extreme variation of what is charged.

 

[Carmel2]

Hi Melody I think your going a bit off track here , UK , France and other country aren't charging sailor to sail though there waters

If you sail in French waters for over 6 months you are obliged to become a resident. You can keep your flag but you will have to acquire a Passeport de Douanes which has a annual fee based on the engine size. Our last one cost us something like 300 Euros for a 40HP, we got a discount as we lived on a deprived island - Corsica can you believe. All French owned boats pay the tax based on engine size.

 

[grumpygit]

Melody - yes I have just read that and it is an indicment of shoddy management but
"It should be remembered that this is not European money being wasted but our own, because Britain pays far more into the EU than it gets out." Where as the discussion was about the Greeks not receiving any money - because it was going straight to recycling bad loans, which is not true - as they are continuing to draw on substantial structural funds.

You also made a comment that perhaps Greek Harbour dues were too cheap - but you have not commented on my reply to that, which would be an interesting point given the extreme variation of what is charged.

I have not come across any variation in port fees, for a 15m yacht is give or take a few cents is €5 for port entry and €7 for the night and €7 for each extra night. I believe sailing school boats and charter boats are classed as commercial and only gets charged about a third of what we liveaboards get charged.
Interestingly we were in the NE Aegean this summer and in most ports water and electric was included, this was a great surprise and appreciated
I also have been told that if a town key does not have services for water or electric no charge should be made,but I've never put it to test.
As for the tax law being Gazetted I very much doubt this will be done before the first of January, they are to busy arguing over other issues. If it has not been gazetted don't pay.