longjohnsilver
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What they've posted on this thread seems very reasonable, why wouldn't you use them?
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What they've posted on this thread seems very reasonable, why wouldn't you use them?
Lakesailor
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Quote. I think that they seem to be very sensible and looking towards protecting not only themselves, but their customers as well.
Nathan always seemed to be very happy with the arrangements there.
Nathan always seemed to be very happy with the arrangements there.
JumbleDuck
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I'm pretty sure the weight came from Ellie, somewhere up thataway ^^^^^.
chinita
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Erm, the weight of batteries is not relevant. That is why the weight of batteries was not mentioned.
I mentioned the COST of all the batteries.
lw395
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I think that's probably a bit of a detail at this point.
A boat that size, you can find space to strap together a whole load of old batteries from a breakers yard.
I take your general point though, I found out the hard way about spiralling costs, having budgeted for bits for a 34ft boat then bought a 40ft boat.
I was also taken aback by the costs of getting a 28ft Impala 15 miles to the sea.
I am still surprised at how expensive this launch appears to be, and I've had a little contact with the joys of moving heavy machinery.
I've also watched a fair selection of people launch wooden boats that have been out for ten years, and seen too many of them having to pull them out again not long after.
dom
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A friend of mine has a beautifully preserved (not restored) c.1930s 40'ish Norwegian sloop. As you say boat is into the water; then some problem with a plank so back out; then it does the IoW Classic RTI race; then back out for a new rudder to be fitted; then, then, then, ...money, money, money.
Another thing, he pays his decorator to do a lot of the y/e varnishing painting, etc. But it's amazing the specialist skills required on these old boats - skills which may have been abundant in the 1950s and 60s, but are now the preserve of charming old blokes with pipes and blue overalls. Their wages are reasonable, but their productivity is often not very high, not because they are slow but simply because many jobs are one offs these days. All of this equals an unpredictable flow of dosh; surely £2-10K overruns are just par for the course?
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It would not surprise me if they test the ground for a load where one of the pads takes a disproportionate share of the load. When my Rival 41C was lifted the crane had big pads but a forward out rigger started to sink in. The driver shrugged and said that he thought that might happen as he was on the limit for his crane, the ground was soaking wet and he had to slew over the front corner of the truck (HIAB). He had placed a large wooden block under the outrigger arm to share the load if this happened. It all looked OK to me until he retracted the pad and there was 1'x1' x 4" square hole in the ground. None of the others had sunk in.
Trop Cher
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Seems so, I think Preston Marinas first post has been the best post so far on this thread, well written and balanced. I'd certainly use them if I was in the area.
somebodywhoknowselizmor
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Hi,your nearly right with your 35t,she was 34t when lifted at Preston in May 2001,and she wont be much different now.
KevB
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I'm not knocking Preston marina in any way as they seem to behaving impeccably in this situation but.... surely if you offer a service to store boats ashore it's your resposibility to ensure that what you are offering is fit for purpose, not your clients. The marina at some stage agreed to store the boat ashore and thought the location was fit for purpose, It's not Elliies job to confirm their decision to put the boat there
How would any of us feel if after our winter lay up the marina presented us with a bill for checking their groundwork before putting our boats back in?
How would any of us feel if after our winter lay up the marina presented us with a bill for checking their groundwork before putting our boats back in?
JumbleDuck
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Absolutely. I've rarely seen a company deal with a potential online issue so well. They could give lessons in e-marketing ...
JumbleDuck
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As far as I can see, Elizmor's location is entirely suitable for storage ashore.
About the same as if I bought a dinghy used as a flower bed and then complained that it had a hole in the bottom.
clyst
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How could the Marina foresee the changes in Health and safety in the next 10years ?? As I understand it nobody is saying that the ground is unsuitable the parties concerned want proof that it is .
dom
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Fully agree; they kept calm and sent no menacing threats to IPC which would have forced them to pull the thread. Preston just clearly explained the problem, answered the questions and committed to help in any way they can. And when they got a detail wrong, they quickly put their hand up, admitted so, and reconfirmed that they were doing their best to find a solution.
Unless one disbelieves them, which I don't, I'd happily have my boat pulled out there.
KevB
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JumbleDuck
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Quite. There are boats on the landward side of a now-fixed bridge at Leith docks. Would it be reasonable to buy one of them, complain about the cost of getting it out to sea and blame the port authority. Caveat emptor.
KevB
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It's the marina that is offering the service. If they couldn't comply with new H&S they should have withdrawn the service. It's not the clients role to ensure that what the marina are offering is fit for purpose. Naturally, if you arrange for a boat to be taken out of the water it's gonna want to go back in. When the H&S rules changed the marina should have withdrawn the service, insure against the risk or as when required do what's necessary to conform to the rules to which they are offering a service.
KevB
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I'll ask again..
How many of you would be happy to receive a bill from your marina for the inspection of their groundworks prior to them putting your boat back in the water, Even if H&S rules had changed for their crane usage during your layup.
How many of you would be happy to receive a bill from your marina for the inspection of their groundworks prior to them putting your boat back in the water, Even if H&S rules had changed for their crane usage during your layup.
lw395
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I think there is an element of sense there.
Marinas charge a premium price for storage ashore (compared to say a yard where you might keep a lorry) because it is connected to the service of fishing it out and chucking it back.
Of course the issue is much clouded because of the change of ownership and passage of time.
Normally when you have a boat lifted, you check the price for hoist, store, launch. You might expect the latter two to go up with inflation.
I would be miffed if I had a boat hoisted at a known scale of charges, then the fee for launch was extremely different in the spring.
But I don't think that applies because the yard was not the party that did the hoisting, plus both yard and boat are under different identities, so there is probably no contract.
Also the yard needs the quality of its ground to be known for its own operations (and insurance), although these may be less onerous.
(If I am wrong in matter of fact, apologies to involved parties, please correct me, I'm only wishing to discuss the principles that apply. These issues could affect others in a smaller way!)
Eyore
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Conversely what right have you to complain if you buy a boat that had changed hands a number of times since being lifted out some 16 years previously and found that the goalposts had moved in the meantime.?
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