My new project... MFV Elizmor

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KevB said:
It's the marina that is offering the service. If they couldn't comply with new H&S they should have withdrawn the service. It's not the clients role to ensure that what the marina are offering is fit for purpose. Naturally, if you arrange for a boat to be taken out of the water it's gonna want to go back in. When the H&S rules changed the marina should have withdrawn the service, insure against the risk or as when required do what's necessary to conform to the rules to which they are offering a service.
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Is it in fact offering the hoist/launch service?
Or did they merely rent out the storage space allowing the former owner to arrange hoisting?
 
fisherman said:
If you read through you may find it is agreed there is no problem with the ground, a clue:https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?...181.1073741827.195297160541465&type=3&theater

The Marina's second post agrees Elizmor was lifted out after the H%S craneage rules changed.

It's only the cost of the paperwork/insurance pushing up the cost of the lift, I suspect JE is trying to get that down or raise more money.
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What did they charge to crane the transformers?
Is the ground survey still valid?
 
A quote from # 273:

"OK, a few facts:

- The previous owners showed me a letter from the yard/marina with a quote for around £5,000 to launch her. The marina themselves referenced this when I spoke to them about the launch. There was every indication the launch could be done for around this figure, but the previous owners couldn't afford to pay this much (along with other personal reasons for selling)
- The previous owners paid up until April 2014 so I'm hopeful of being able to launch before then, set off and not incur any extra fees
- The suggestion of using Chris Miller... the photo of a previous launch looks great (in fact you can see Elizmor's canoe stern poking out just along the edge of the quay) but they are in fact the owners of the yard/marina and the ones who haven't been able to arrange the lift for a reasonable fee so far"
 
KevB said:
I'll ask again..

How many of you would be happy to receive a bill from your marina for the inspection of their groundworks prior to them putting your boat back in the water, Even if H&S rules had changed for their crane usage during your layup.
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I expect to receive bills from the boatyard I use which correspond to the work they carry out and to the expenses they incur in doing so. If I was thinking of buying a large boat which had been ashore for many years, I would check the potential costs of relaunching very carefully before signing.

Where has this idea that the rules have changed come from?
 
From the web:


Seller's Note:

16.5m CONVERTED MFV WOODEN HOUSEBOAT

Vessel type: Ex ring netter Designer: Millers Builder: Millers of Fife, Scotland Make: Miller Fifer Year constructed: 1948 Berths: 3 No. of engines: 1 Engine model: Gardner 6LX Engine power: 120 HP Fuel type: Diesel Drive type: Shaft drive Length over all: 53' 5" Beam: 17' Maximum draft: 7' Hull material: Wood Hull type: Full Displacement Hull colour: Cream Keel type: Other Displacement: 35 tons

ELIZMOR is a converted ring netter, one of a pair that worked in Ireland and Scotland. She is now an extremely comfortable home on the hard awaiting launch. **ALL MARINA FEES PAID UP TO APRIL 2014**



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PLEASE NOTE: THE DISPLACEMENT is stated @ 35tons ( My words)
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So, we have a 35t boat on the side of a commercial dock, a crane company who 'can', a yard who know all about these things, people who remember clearly the lift out 10 years ago, and continuity of ownership of the yard. I bet someone remembers the exact crane used too..

I do hope Ellie is working her way up through the channels and securing an informed Indemnity appraisal based on fact.


As to splashing a wooden boat after a spell ashore.Why, you lay her alongside a wall ( and it is clearly tidal in the Google views) and if there is a problem you get down there with a caulking iron and do the biz between tides..Then move the4 boat to a far far cheaper haulout facilioty. Wots not to like?

62k views and counting, is this a PBO forum record?
 
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Blueboatman said:
So, we have a 35t boat on the side of a commercial dock, a crane company who 'can', a yard who know all about these things, people who remember clearly the lift out 10 years ago, and continuity of ownership of the yard. I bet someone remembers the exact crane used too..

I do hope Ellie is working her way up through the channels and securing an informed Indemnity appraisal based on fact.
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There seems to be no obstacle at all to a relaunch as long as Ellie can pay for it.
 
JumbleDuck said:
Sez who? Have not the marina recently stated that the lift out happened under current rules?
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Preston marina said "most significantly, before the LOLER and PUWER lifting regulations, with its associated paperwork, were introduced in 1998"

So the boat came out before these regulations and can't go back in until they have been conformed to which includes I guess the ground testing for insurance.
 
KevB said:
Preston marina said "most significantly, before the LOLER and PUWER lifting regulations, with its associated paperwork, were introduced in 1998"

So the boat came out before these regulations and can't go back in until they have been conformed to which includes I guess the ground testing for insurance.
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Do try to keep up! Preston Marina later confirmed that the boat wasn't lifted out until 2001 - see post #477.
 
pvb said:
As I read it, the ground survey issue is purely an insurance requirement. This can obviously change anytime, regardless of legislation.
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It will also change according to which crane company is used.
Since those damn great transformers were lifted 'recently' according to the FB page, the survey may be still valid, for that company.
 
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