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I shall try to avoid the flippant answers.

I did a big review on this earlier this year as I needed some new ones.

The cut is slightly different. Depends on your body shape.
The HPX are heavier.
The HPX are allegedly more breathable.

That's all I could find. I have never me anyone who wears them ever day and can tell you how long the last.

Some people will of course tell you how theirs work perfectly after 93 years, but you have no valid comparisons in terms of how often and in what conditions.

I wouldn't consider HPX value unless I found MOX uncomfortable or I had a major ocean crossing planned.
 
Don't knock them until you've tried them. Breathable waterproof shorts are the dog's danglies. No damp bum from sitting on a wet deck, no condensation so really comfortable. There's a reason everybody make them.
 
Keen_Ed said:
Don't knock them until you've tried them. Breathable waterproof shorts are the dog's danglies. No damp bum from sitting on a wet deck, no condensation so really comfortable. There's a reason everybody make them.
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Is condensation a problem in normal shorts for you then? I find the massive gaping holes at the bottom make mine as breathable as they need to be. That said, I don't wear these modern "shorts" that go down below the knees - I consider them to be ill fitting trousers. Blimey I sound old :(
 
Ex-SolentBoy said:
I shall try to avoid the flippant answers.

I did a big review on this earlier this year as I needed some new ones.

The cut is slightly different. Depends on your body shape.
The HPX are heavier.
The HPX are allegedly more breathable.

That's all I could find. I have never me anyone who wears them ever day and can tell you how long the last.

Some people will of course tell you how theirs work perfectly after 93 years, but you have no valid comparisons in terms of how often and in what conditions.

I wouldn't consider HPX value unless I found MOX uncomfortable or I had a major ocean crossing planned.
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The skipper & I bought HPX jackets & salopettes at the 2004 SBS - during the next 4 or 5 years we both did a lot of RORC racing plus cruising on the weekends we weren't racing. Since then we've lived abroad where only shorts and t-shirts are required even on a night passage so our oilies are only worn on the few occasions we return to N Europe each year. This summer that was six weeks of racing & cruising in Normandy & Brittany. So I'd say they have had some 5 years of hard wear and tear plus light use for the last 3 years.

Both sets are still waterproof (we were glad of that this summer) but both have odd patches of wear right through the outer material like the inside leg seams around the knees. The stitching holding the drawstring at the bottom of one of the jackets has unravelled meaning the string gets caught on things (usually at the least propitious moments). One jacket developed a very bubbly look early on but it hasnt affected its waterproof/breathability as far as I can tell - some sort of slippage between the two layers that make up the HPX? And finally, they haven't looked clean in several years - just grubby faded yellow and I wish I knew how to resolve this. I did email Musto to see if they could repair/refurbish but in the end decided it would be simpler to keep on wearing them until they are beyond serviceable and eventually purchase new oilies wherever/whenever we need them.

S
 
sailorgirl said:
One jacket developed a very bubbly look early on but it hasnt affected its waterproof/breathability as far as I can tell - some sort of slippage between the two layers that make up the HPX? And finally, they haven't looked clean in several years - just grubby faded yellow and I wish I knew how to resolve this. I did email Musto to see if they could repair/refurbish but in the end decided it would be simpler to keep on wearing them until they are beyond serviceable and eventually purchase new oilies wherever/whenever we need them.

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My wife's HPX jacket was starting to go like that after 3 years use, contacted Musto customer service for advice, they asked us to send it in so that they could look at it. New jacket turned up in the post a week later so we still do not know what the problem was but well pleased with Celia at Musto customer service.
 
>The cut is slightly different. Depends on your body shape.
The HPX are heavier.
The HPX are allegedly more breathable.

I don't know if the latter is true, if both are Goretex they should be equally breathable. HPX kit is designed for ocean sailling.

>That's all I could find. I have never me anyone who wears them ever day and can tell you how long the last.

We've had HPX kit for over 10 years with a total time worn about five and a half years. The key to Gortex longevity is never fold them always hang them up, otherwise they will lose their waterproofing.
 
I am surprised at these comments. In my experience both sailing and mountaineering you are lucky if Goretex it stays waterproof for a year. I got soaked wearing my MPX trying to free a jammed furler at night in the Minch this summer and was feeling decidedly hypothermic afterwards. Went back to wearing my 1985 vintage Musto Ocean neoprene waterproofs which are still 100% and certainly dry faster. They may be a bit clammy at times but in Scotland waterproofs need to be waterproof and not feel like wet blotting paper after a light shower. Maybe the HPX is better but you don't see fishermen wearing Goretex.
 
sailorgirl said:
The skipper & I bought HPX jackets & salopettes at the 2004 SBS - during the next 4 or 5 years we both did a lot of RORC racing plus cruising on the weekends we weren't racing. Since then we've lived abroad where only shorts and t-shirts are required even on a night passage so our oilies are only worn on the few occasions we return to N Europe each year. This summer that was six weeks of racing & cruising in Normandy & Brittany. So I'd say they have had some 5 years of hard wear and tear plus light use for the last 3 years.

Both sets are still waterproof (we were glad of that this summer) but both have odd patches of wear right through the outer material like the inside leg seams around the knees. The stitching holding the drawstring at the bottom of one of the jackets has unravelled meaning the string gets caught on things (usually at the least propitious moments). One jacket developed a very bubbly look early on but it hasnt affected its waterproof/breathability as far as I can tell - some sort of slippage between the two layers that make up the HPX? And finally, they haven't looked clean in several years - just grubby faded yellow and I wish I knew how to resolve this. I did email Musto to see if they could repair/refurbish but in the end decided it would be simpler to keep on wearing them until they are beyond serviceable and eventually purchase new oilies wherever/whenever we need them.

S
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In 2004 I also bought a suit of Musto HPX waterproofs when they were offered in a sale. I still had a perfectly serviceable non-breathable suit so kept the HPX suit for best. By the beginning of this season I reckon I had worn the jacket for the equivalent of about a season of normal use and I had only put the trousers on about 20 times. However, this May/June I noticed that the jacket was beginning to delaminate badly and the trousers showed signs of going the same way.

This was clearly a problem with the fabric as there were no signs of wear at all on the garments which would not have looked out of place in a chandlers if it were not for the delamination. I was thinking I would have to scrap them but looked up delamination on this forum and found threads from a couple of years ago where other posters had experienced the same problem.

They had come with a “lifetime warranty”. I was very dubious whether this would be honoured but in view of the eye-watering cost of full price replacements I drove down to the Musto offices and handed them into the customer services centre along with proof of purchase. They said the lifetime guarantee meant the lifetime of the garment which they now decreed to be 10 years but as mine were a year under the limit I wasn’t about to argue the point.

I heard nothing for a month and was beginning to think they were just going to ignore the claim so e-mailed them to ask what was happening. Within 2 hours I had a very apologetic phone call saying that they did intend replacing the waterproofs but did not have my size in stock and were sorry not to have kept me informed. Two weeks after that I now have a completely new set of waterproofs.

So full marks to Mustos for honouring their warranty. They did not offer an explanation as to why the suit delaminated. I just hope it was a problem confined to the early Gortex garments and that the latest ones have solved the problem. However, as the delamination seems to be more related to age than wear my advice to others with this type of suit is not to try and keep them for best but to make maximum use of them whilst they are under 10 years old and make sure you keep your proof of purchase.
 
I have both HPX and MPX, the only difference I can tell are the shape and cut/style, they seem equally well made and equally waterproof. I did have some stitching go on the shoulder straps on a pair of HPX salopettes and the material was starting to bubble (seems to be a common problem) but Musto swapped for a new pair.
 
I have 2 sets of HPX - We got soaked through wearing them in torrential rain (1 year old).

Mustos replaced the lot.

As we are now in the med I have not really tested them, other than when they came, when I stood in the shower with them for 1/4 hour - they didn't leak!!!
 
Keen_Ed said:
Don't knock them until you've tried them. Breathable waterproof shorts are the dog's danglies. No damp bum from sitting on a wet deck, no condensation so really comfortable. There's a reason everybody make them.
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Exactly. I have the Gill ones. Excellent piece of kit.
 
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