Motion comfort a priority

[Wansworth]

Litle sister. I question the various variations in sail pattern designs because I changed my sailing area from the Solent/channel islands etc. to the Irish Sea, the wave pattern is different as are the median winds, having sailed to the Azores and the west coast of Southern Europe I ‘ have ‘ felt a difference in these ‘constants’ and have come to a persnal conclusion that certain rigs/ boats suit local conditions than others.

Schooners are in demand on the east coast of America with the prevailing beam winds

 

[kolyo]

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I don't think it's a great proposition at that price point kolyo.
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OK, say I robbed a bank or my old lady dipped into some secret pocket. Can anyone come up with a "great proposition" for a 23-25ft monohulled sailboat? Maximum stability while motoring or at anchor plus suitability for a late bloomer are a MUST!

 

[Adios]

OK, say I robbed a bank or my old lady dipped into some secret pocket. Can anyone come up with a "great proposition" for a 23-25ft monohulled sailboat? Maximum stability while motoring or at anchor plus suitability for a late bloomer are a MUST!

Fisher 25 - lovely for sedate cruising

The triple keel newbridge virgo voyager I had though had surreal stability when wakes went through the moorings. And this was at a place with fishing boats going out at full chat against the tide. It just bobbed up and down completely flat and level, just wouldn't roll. Other boats were flip flopping 45 degrees to 45 degrees. But the standing headroom meant quite a climb up from the cabin to the cockpit. Not ideal for arthritic hips or knees. Cheap though, half decent ones for a few thousand.

 

[Praxinoscope]

#83, the Fisher 25 a good solid motor sailor, which would probably suit the OP but, surely well over the anticipated budget of the OP.

 

[Adios]

#83, the Fisher 25 a good solid motor sailor, which would probably suit the OP but, surely well over the anticipated budget of the OP.

Its ok he's decided to turn to crime to pay for it

 

[Wansworth]

Its ok he's decided to turn to crime to pay for it

Shows initiative

 

[kolyo]

A Dutch friend of mine loves his Fisher 25 for the qualities I am after but he warned me the twin mast set up will be much too hard if not impossible for me to control given my total lack of sailing experience.

 

[Adios]

A Dutch friend of mine loves his Fisher 25 for the qualities I am after but he warned me the twin mast set up will be much too hard if not impossible for me to control given my total lack of sailing experience.

Poor advice. If tacking you can leave both the masted sails sheeted in and you just have the one foresail to swop sides as as a sloop. Gybing slightly less simple but you can sheet the small rear sail in fully before gybing i guess and not sure where you control the main sail from but it can't be beyond you to work it out.

But having the rear mast just outside the wheelhouse you can easily hoist just that sail for a steadying sail, as fishing boats used to use, without having to go down the side decks on a rolling boat.

You don't need to use all of them at once.

 

[Wansworth]

Poor advice. If tacking you can leave both the masted sails sheeted in and you just have the one foresail to swop sides as as a sloop. Gybing slightly less simple but you can sheet the small rear sail in fully before gybing i guess and not sure where you control the main sail from but it can't be beyond you to work it out.

But having the rear mast just outside the wheelhouse you can easily hoist just that sail for a steadying sail, as fishing boats used to use, without having to go down the side decks on a rolling boat.

You don't need to use all of them at once.

There are sloop versions

 

[Adios]

There are sloop versions

for what he wants maybe better with the ketch. That steadying sail aspect could be just the job

 

[doug748]

I don't think it's a great proposition at that price point kolyo.
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OK, say I robbed a bank or my old lady dipped into some secret pocket. Can anyone come up with a "great proposition" for a 23-25ft monohulled sailboat? Maximum stability while motoring or at anchor plus suitability for a late bloomer are a MUST!
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Here you go, solid as a rock and just around the corner:

Vancouver 27 For Sale - €21,000

Bit oversize.

So if that does not suit, something more sporty, a Sadler 26. Here is a recent review:

There is probably one somewhere for sale on the mainland, the problem is finding it. Or give the 4 * 4 a good run and buy one in the UK for about 12k plus the VAT.


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[Praxinoscope]

#91 I would second the Sadler 26.

 

[kolyo]

Pity the Vancouver is too big, Prveza is close enough and the price not too scary.

I just realized the Fisher 25 has a fantastic Comfort ratio of 36.61 and the Capsize Screening Formula is 1.73!! If I can find one within reach I'll be chuffed to bits.

 

[westernman]

A cat won’t heel, which some people will prefer, but the lighter boat will have a different motion which may be more unsettling. Other things being equal, a heavier boat will be steadier than a light one but there are other factors to consider. A boat with a fine entry will cut through the water better and a boat with a deep forefoot less likely to slam. You should get a good idea of how a boat will perform just by looking at it, especially out of the water.

A cat won't heel



Looks heeled to me.

 

[Wansworth]

Pity the Vancouver is too big, Prveza is close enough and the price not too scary.

I just realized the Fisher 25 has a fantastic Comfort ratio of 36.61 and the Capsize Screening Formula is 1.73! If I can find one within reach I'll be chuffed to bits.

I think that’s your boat

 

[kolyo]

I think that’s your boat

I feel the same too. Seams best suited so far. Although the chances to find one in Greece are minimal

 

[Wansworth]

I feel the same too. Seams best suited so far.

I have fancied one but here in Galicia there are none?

 

[kolyo]

I have fancied one but here in Galicia there are none?

Just checked, none in Greece as well.

Almost all Greek boats up for sale are trashy, so until now I've bought all my boats from Germany. Snag is beam must not exceed 2.55 m. to be motorway legal.

 

[Praxinoscope]

Max 2.55 beam is going to restrict your options, but the Contessa 26 and Invicta 26 both come out at less than 2.4m.

 

[kolyo]

Max 2.55 beam is going to restrict your options, but the Contessa 26 and Invicta 26 both come out at less than 2.4m.

Thanks for the suggestions

Here is a list I made just before posting here:

Segelboot Segelyacht Friendship 25 Hubkiel, € 12.900,- (2460 Bruck an der Leitha) - willhaben

Neptun 25, € 14.900,- (7121 Weiden am See) - willhaben

SEGELBOOT SEGELYACHT FRIENDSHIP 25 TS HUBKIEL 25 CM - 140 ! EW 1988 STRASSENTRAIILER, € 11.850,- (7071 Rust) - willhaben

Segelyacht, Segelboot Granada 24 inkl. Trailer zu verkaufen in Nordrhein-Westfalen - Hückeswagen | Segelboote kaufen | eBay Kleinanzeigen (ebay-kleinanzeigen.de)

SY Friendship25 in Schleswig-Holstein - Taarstedt | Segelboote kaufen | eBay Kleinanzeigen (ebay-kleinanzeigen.de)

Segelboot Seamaster 23 Kimmkieler in Niedersachsen - Hage | Segelboote kaufen | eBay Kleinanzeigen (ebay-kleinanzeigen.de)

Westerly Pageant Kim Kieler in Niedersachsen - Bunde | Segelboote kaufen | eBay Kleinanzeigen (ebay-kleinanzeigen.de)

Kleine Segelyacht – Segelboot – Ocean 725+Trailer - Winterpreis! in Brandenburg - Falkensee | Segelboote kaufen | eBay Kleinanzeigen (ebay-kleinanzeigen.de)

Westerly Centaur Kimmkieler in Münster (Westfalen) - Wolbeck | Segelboote kaufen | eBay Kleinanzeigen (ebay-kleinanzeigen.de)